Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Emerging False Prophets

To my fellow Christian brothers and sisters,I'm writing this blog to you to be aware of phony pastors and preachers.

According to Christian scripture a true prophet or teacher should reflect Jesus in him. Nowadays,Pastors are preaching for their personal gain and popularity. They are pride(of what they are doing for the Kingdom of God) and adopting a lustful lifestyles. They look to other men for their needs(money) to be supplied.

In the internet and other communication medias, we get to see lots of sermons and gospels given by so called pastors around the world. I recently came across a pastor called Paul Thangiah from Bangalore,India. Watched a video of Paul Thangiah in you-tube which was streaming his message, he was so pride of what he is doing for the Kingdom of God. For christians "Pride is Sin". In Google videos, one another promotional video of Paul Thangiah is projecting him as "James Bond of Jesus Christ". Do our God need a James Bond ? If he want to be a super hero let him enact in Hollywood movies and not in Churchwood.

Mrs. Paul Thangiah conducted a women's leadership conference in Hyderabad,India. In that event she and her group members were luring ladies with dance and makeup shows. I don't see any spritual empowerment,but it was totally a rubbish. It was just to grab more women from the society with false hopes.

Paul Thangiah's ministry is more a family business. His books and videos are another money making business tools. The costumes he wore in his videos reflect his real personality. He and his organization is making use of the media and social networking sites to grow faster and gain popularity among the nation and off course for money. Paul Thangiah is following the footsteps of D.G.S. Dhinakaran, who was an evangelist from TamilNadu,India, who used to visit heaven frequently.

In another video of Sammy Thangiah (Samuel Thangiah, Paul's son),which captured his frist time sermon in the church, Sammy was telling prophecies. He was just shouting like "someone here" having joint pain and "someone here" having eye problem. In a gathering of hundreds and hundreds of people some one or the other can probably have these common aches and diseases. Say If by coincident someone stood up in the gathering have got the pain or disease what he mentioned, he becomes a miracle preacher. Any common man with little sense would recognize such false prophecies. Fellow christians, Do you believe God revealed these things to him? If you get a chance please watch the video and listen to the comparison he makes of David's story and the name 'JESUS'. I didn't understand the message or moral behind that. Also closely watch the professional photographer in the video taking photographs for publicity.

Video Link to Sammy's Preaching

These people are mesmorizing the nation for money and popularity. True believers of Jesus Christ will easily identify these poeple as a "Bad Fruit" as mentioned in the scripture (Matthew 12:33).

How can one recognizae a false teacher/false prophet ?

Study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the scripture says.

Bible Reference:

Matthew 7 :15 - Beware of false prophets,which come to you in sheep's clothing,but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Also refer Matthew 24: 10 -13 and 1 John 4:1

449 comments:

  1. If, according to you, Rev. Paul is a false prophet, then what title would you give to yourself? If you really had the guts, you would have identified yourself by your real name here instead of calling yourself "MrBeHoly". Why are you hiding under a fake title? Are you afraid that you many not be able to really face the thousand of FGAG members and friends worldwide? Instead of calling people names, i suggest that you go around building and encouraging people and sharing the gospel to the millions of lost souls in this country. Jesus will come anytime...so please DO NOT waste your time condemning other people. Instead, reach out to the lost. Remember, to be like Jesus, you yourself should stop condemning other people. Jesus came not to condemn but to save. So, which JESUS are YOU following? Email me and let me know. Prakash at DFW.cc

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    1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGEgs0i9Mns

      Disgusting act by his son Sammy Thangiah.

      sucks big time!!! More o'er Jesus never forced you to do all these dances on stage except to love him??? So nothing to boast in you dancing and telling that you never ashamed of dancing and screaming for HIM when He is least bothered about your crap!!! LOL

      nothing but a marketing strategy (Like anyother multinational company does)... "Fishing for Souls" and making them lost. LOL!!! Hey sammy hoping you have anhard time to compete with other churches who really preach Jesus??? then its time for you to try JESUS dude... and not tricks and techniques... now for you " Why this kolaveri Da????"

      Why should I do the same dance as someone who carries a dead body (as you say?) Are you an undertaker? I ain't one and don't want to be one! I want to reflect Jesus in me (As much I can) and not some undertaker... And this is what Jesus expects from me ( I believe) FUN IN THE HOUSE OF GOD?? WHAT KINDA FUN?? ANY KIND?? Is this what the Bible teach??? THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!

      More over my name is Noble Kumar from Chennai, and I am not afraid of sharing my name or the video when our Christian faith is in the wrong track.

      Thanks

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  2. MrBeholy there is no point in writing about these false prophets.See the reply you got from one of his followers.They wont change even if they witness these frauds doing crimes in front of them.because since they are believing him their ego wont allow them to accept the fact that these pastors are frauds.See what happened to his wife sheeba,Where is she now ? Why she left paul thangiah? I know people like you wont change even if Govt of India expose these frauds...So keep donating money to paul thangiah.Let him live in utmost luxury even 50% of Indians starve.I am not here to condemn people But its my duty to help my fellow brothers and sisters to not get deceived by these people.Its my duty to stop crimes done by people that too in the name of Jesus.

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    1. Hello Fellow human, first of all we are not donating money to Paul we are giving our money to build the kingdom of Jesus Christ. Again, if you need to investigate what Paul is doing with his church,
      1. He has a orphanage and educating kids
      2. Helping 100's of widowed women every month
      3. Building business for lots of people every year
      etc etc.. you might need to visit his church and understand the operation of this church.

      To me compared to lots of other pastors i see Rev. Paul is doing better to the kingdom of god... Do not be biased and understand the facts.

      If you see giving money to the holy place you need to validate the people pouring money to Temples, Church and Dharga... you should not be biased against only Chruch. Look at the money given to ISCKON do you know the amount??? what they get every month? Look at the money poured in Thrupathi they need 5 days to count one day collection... what are those? for? well again "They might use for some good purpose which i might not know" but to be frank the money poured in the kingdom of god should always used for good purpose. With the churches it is more transparent than the Temples in INDIA.

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  3. Bro. Don't waste your time writing about such idiots. There are enough idiots in this country to fall for such lies and feed such bastards. They don't care if you spoke the truth until you caught laryngitis. So just keep your peace until God deals with them.

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  4. who we are to judge others.........
    every body has to give their account before God , let God judge these people...............

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    1. john...agree with you..!!
      we not here to judge people...let us follow god's message..not the preachers...!!

      earnestjoel2620@gmail.com

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  5. to chris,mr be holy and derrrick i personally feel that you 3 are jobless losers........pls!!!!! wat joy do yu creeps get speaking against a MAN OF GOD..........yu will be judged mercilessly by god........then well see how well yu blog......

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  6. On the day of judgement everybody will be crowned as per their deeds....Paul Thangaiah's crown is in heaven...Even jesus was not accepted when he was in this world...People of God go thru this....but its a serious waste of time naming him a false prophet...Who are we to judge?

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  7. It is but very sad to learn how the aggressive Christians of the born again variety are so inane to reason and intellect. Not willing to accept reason, their aggressiveness baffles me as they are the first to point fingers at others and accuse them while they have a false feeling of being complacent and waiting for the first flight to heaven..

    We can only pray for the variety of Joshy and Veena, the foot soldiers of our money crazy Paul Thangiah,Dhinakaran,Benny Hinn etc...
    It is this aggression and a feeling of self piety, which is making them act so. If only they had the intellect to understand that the worldly wisdom and knowledge is nothing in front of God.

    It is the right moral upbringing at home which remains with one throughout his life. The knowledge of the growth of pious Christianity, not the aggressive, rock'n'roll type will partly ease this rigid stand.

    Jesus exhorts his followers to beware of false prophets who come in His name and mislead the people in the final days. Here they are infront of us in the name of paul thangiah, Benny Hinn and Dinakaran. Beware of that creed !!

    Joshy/Veena have the intelligence to understand that...You people are being deceived by these frauds.
    A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. The evil fruits of the activities of the false prophets, common to all of them, are pride and the forcible separation of the people from the Kingdom of God.
    Because they speak to people what they love to hear ( or what they itch to hear..) and avoid speaking to people from moving away from sins, they are able to give sermons which are soothing for the audience' ears and they get themselves endearing to the crowd. This makes them instantly acceptable among the people and get the favour of the influential in the society.
    With promise of prosperity they lull the conscience of their followers to sleep, leading the followers to think of a comfortable life ahead bereft of problems, gradually leading the society to moral degradation. ( this is the false thinking among the people - whatever I do, if I attend the sessions from these false prophets, I am saved. I can be in close contact with God for that 2 hours)
    How distant is this cheap zeal and assuredness from the meek and humble image of Jesus and his disciples ?

    Last but not the least ,Joshy I am not judging anyone...But I dont want my fellow brothers and sisters to get cheated by these frauds.Can we just close our eyes and pretend everything is fine ..no right? thats what I am doing .I have proofs for what ever I wrote abt paul thangiah and others.Even the copies of fake doctorates these people are holding. Before you criticise me find out sheeba thangiah and as kher why she left Paul......

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  8. do u actually think pastor paul is stirred by people like u?????????? WELL HE IS NOT...the tree will continue to bear fruit no matter how many stones are thrown at it......you start some online blog just to spoil the name of a man of god, and u boast that u are tryin to help ur fellow brothers.... MR DERRICK I TELL U THAT THE DEVIL HAS ENTERED U AND UR OTHER FRIENDS!!!!!!.....pastor paul is the GREATEST man of god that i hav ever seen and nothin will ever change that.....U R SURELY SATANS AGENT.......................... THE ANNOINTING OF GOD JUST FLOWS WHEN PASTOR PAUL SPEAKS. Not just that,yu call him a fraud rite??? have u seen the amount of WORK he is doing for the poor!!!! FINALLY I DONT THINK I NEED TO PROVE A POINT TO THE DEVIL{MR DERRICK AND OTHERS} UR KINGDOM IS ALREADY SHAKEN.......YOU TOLD ME TO FIND SOMEONE AND ASK SOMETHING RITE????/ TO THAT I SAY THAT I DONT ASK DEMONS QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS A LIAR>>>

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  9. Do not know what the foot soldiers of the spiritual entrepreneur Paul Thangiah are upto.. using filthy language when they know they have no moral standing..

    That is what Thangiah has taught them. to attack the other person, if he dissents ..

    May God forgive all of you for your immaturity and bless you abundantly..

    i know your real sight is on the wealth of thangiah and not on doing the service of the Lord. you people are just out there sucking the blood of the poor in the society, getting fatter day by day.

    It is just a matter of time before thangiah and his cohorts will get exposed. I pity all of you who are after Thangiah, misusing the word of the Lord and abusing others..

    Even His wife Sheeba Thangiah is not considering Paul as a person with moral values but you foot soldiers of paul are considering him as the greatest man of GOD!!! Very Funny

    Open your eyes and investigate with a rational Mind.


    And FINALLY I DONT THINK I NEED TO PROVE Whether I am from Devil or GOD
    TO A FOOL/FRAUD LIKE YOU (50% who follows paul thangiah are frauds and rest are fools).

    I can only pray to God to give you sense and peace of mind.

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    1. Dear brother in Christ, after reading the whole thing I have decided to express my opinion. The world is filled with hatredness either in politics or any other. As I watch news channel on TV this is what i see. One speaking against the other, one pointing out the other. Are we not different from this worldly people? We are taught by Jesus even to love our enemies. And I am sure Rev. Paul Thangiah is not ur enemy. After all he is man of God. If he is wrong in something he will face the judgement for that. We are warned to first clean our own eye and then point someone else's. We may possess all the spiritual fruits, if we don't have love which is one of the spiritual fruits then the rest won't value. So I request u brother please stop writing such useless things, because u may become stumbling block to a perishing soul.

      Jonathan Edward, Hyderabad

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    2. To who so ever created this blog : first of all you better take Fasting with weeping and repenting before God that you have committed a very great mistake that is talking against the servant of God ; no matter how Stupid that pastor is or cheating people or even may be Prostitute but you have no right to say anything against Him, He is still anointed of God; David never curse Saul even when he is killing Him only reason is He is Anointed of God; what do you think you are not a God to Judge ,I know out of pride and Jealousy comes this things; No discussion just shut up and close this blog: ; Do you know how much pastor Paul is suffering and leading the church.;? He always fast and pray for each member of His Church;;
      If you do not stop it blogging against Servants of God, you are going to get a great cruse that even to your generations not able to get Delivered unless you repent;

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  10. WHERE IS PAUL THANGIA's WIFE NOW? SHE IS LIVING WITH SOMEONE ELSE.... BUT SHE IS ALSO A PASTOR.

    SO THESE GUYS PRACTICE ADULTERY IN GOD's MINISTRY

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  11. My God commands me in (1 John 4:1) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

    So, I have to obey my God and I have to test the spirits to see whether they are from God. Because I am responsible for myself. I can not say excuses that "these false prophets spirits deceived me"

    Friends, it is not "judging others" but Testing the spirits by their fruits. Like money making, adultery, self riotousness, offerings money theft, covetousness, ...etc.

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    1. wat t fuck matters u man....... let keep ur wife not running or sleeping with another one ..... dont fucking judge someone else........ mind ur own fucking job and fuck ur wife alone...... dont take take up ur cock and go round t world man.....................

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  12. Rightly said Ponnudurai,But these hypocrites wont change.Their ego never allow them to believe the truth.Since they got trapped in Fraud paul thangiah's tricks they got only one choice left.Believe all the bull shits which paul thangiah preachs. Joshi u dint answered the question i raised ,Why sheeba left paul thangiah. Preaching Bible is waste unless you practice it in ur life.So Paul thangiah has got no moral right to preach it.He is Benny Hinn of India and sheeba has followed the foot steps of suzanne Hinn. It is just a matter of time before these fraud pastors will get exposed.. Their foot soldiers are playing a tough dirty game trying to defend their masters.There are clear and open warnings given to the childrens of God, so that they are not deceived by any GREEDY PASTOR or BORN-LIARS like Thangiah.

    1. Jesus said “So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time”. Mark 13:23.

    --- Precaution is better than cure.

    2. Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men. 1Timothy 2:5

    --- THANIAH not Required. Pretty Clear statements.

    3. Jesus said “No one comes to the Father except through Me”. John 14:6

    --- It isn't : No one comes to the Father except through THANGIAH or any other PASTOR.

    4. Jesus said "My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge”. Hosea 4:6

    --- How true, still won't learn.

    5. My BIBLE says : “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come so that they may have life, and may have it abundantly.” John 10:10

    --- Theif is none other than guys like THANGIAH and many others like him. BEWARE.

    BOTTOM LINE

    “Believe in Lord Jesus Christ and be Saved – you and your household”. Acts 16:31

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  13. I have just couple of questions to those who follow paul thangiah and other fraud pastors

    1:Why these so called Men of God have trouble marriage life
    a) Benny Hinn Divorced his wife Suzanne
    b) paula white- twice divorced
    c) Paul crouch and jan Crouch
    d) kathryn Kuhlman -twice divorced
    this list is endless but let me add some local frauds also
    Ur men of God - Paul Thangiah
    'DR' S.J manomohan (Thangiah's friend who left his wife 10 years back .His doctorate is fake which doesnt even hav value of a toilet tissue .Like this guy who is preaching in Trivandrum there are lot of other pastors holding these fake doctorates.

    This is pure spiritual entrepreneurship. 99.99% of these Pastors are BORN-LIARS rather BORN-AGAIN .

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  14. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fruits-Of-False-Prophets/160161237352986?v=wall

    The above link has more details on false prophets.

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  15. Am not here to say anyone in this forum is right or wrong.. lemme just ask those ppl who support Mr Paul... I read summon say he is helpin thr poor. why does he have money to live for 10 or 20 generations.just scroll up n u by lookin at the pic of his, wil give u a clear idea of his lifestyle....wat a style man...suglasses n al in a studio pic :-P (@ all followers: ask urslf frm bottom of ur heart...do u reely need a stylish self proclaimed bond to b closer to God? doesnt just being a good human being with mankind n love will lead us to God's path??), n this stylish guy preaches about lord Jesus....who had the simplest lifestyle n evn gave up his own life to save us.. not only mr paul, but other preachers like dinakaran, mullakara devasia etc. they are among some of the richest ppl in part of the country. i think what they worship is money and not jesus. i also listened to a video of him.. my god so hilarious. he tells bad abt ppl that no christians these days name their children from names in bible.. lemme ask this guy,, where can u find the name thangiah in bible??? and i dint get an answer from that person who was supportin that guy, abt why his wife left him (q from Mr Derik).. No answer my dear ha??? its ok.. my advice to those who think paul is next to Jesus...use some common sense and come out of the dream world u r in... he is a fraud... pray to jesus to open ur eyes...

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  16. "It is God's blessing brother." thats what these thieves claim the stolen offerings. These guys never have any open account for the offerings money they collect from public and cheat the government and public. Anyway they never fear God.

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  17. you people are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jealous that yu all are blinded by jealousy>>>>> mr ponnudurai and derrick and you mr sreejit.............. pls ppl get a life you ppl are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo jobless that yoll are throwing stones into the sea........................................................................... by writing these things about a man of god u all are bringing a curse upon ur heads...........................................btw just to remind ponnuduraj sreejit nathan and DERRICK...... pastor paul is not and will never be affected by ppl lyk u.... :P.........

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    1. i just want to know from u mate Joshy where is his wife. has she gone to get a life..... no one supporting him seems to be answering this question that so many people have been asking

      Richa

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  18. just because he dresses well wat is itching ur ass ms srijit???/ this shows ur complex and jealousy........ anywayz mr sreejit my dear pls get a life..........dont criticise or else ull be sorry VERY SOON!!!!

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  19. m neways not coming down to ur standard joshy...not my level....i was arguing..but cheap talk???not me...rather i wud comment on ur cheap thought joshy....
    you...by 100 'O's in ur statements...i wudnt become Jealous...btw...what shud i b jealous of???his wife divorsing him???or he being stylish??? dude...me a 27 yrs old guy...passd out frm a b-school...working now in an MNC in bangalore...u think this cheap dressing wud make me feel jealous???grow up n talk sens bro.....may b i need 20 yrs from now to feel J of him...
    i just biliv in true humanity..with an attitude of helping any1 anytime....i see christianity in that....just dat i cant take these kinda fake stylish messengers of my God who livd a simplest lifestyle..

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  20. Guys please note:
    "joshy said...
    just because he dresses well wat is itching ur ass ms srijit???/ "

    Mr. Joshy : If you are a true Christian and if your Glamour Pastor has preached you the right sense you would have not uttered the words above. This clearly says where you are coming from and what your Guru is teaching!
    Wake up guys..these are all thieves stealing your money, time and cheating the government posing as minority and trusts...government should take control of their accounts, tell me something why a gods man need to change his car 3 times in a year ? why does he/she need 3 cars parked in his house ....? I am not saying they should not live their life...they collect money from poorest of the poor who have not even travelled in an aircraft...but these guys travel in business class.....stay in resorts...what not.........today these thieves are everywhere.....Identify them...Expose their identity to the world....Innocent people are the victims...If anyone dare to confront this statement...i am willing to come in public and debate ....ask for my details I will email you... I don’t care about your curses and threats

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  21. These guys (Joshy & Co) are deceived by the evil spirit. These people see "Pushing Down ministry" practicing by their master (Paul Thangiah) and thinking that that is power ....

    Also these false ministers pass on the evil spirit to these deceived people by Anointing (thats what they call it) .... So we see their fruits like stealing, adultery, using slum language, cursing, ...etc.

    God's people must be BEWARE of these spirits !!!!!

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  22. All of these deceived people are always slaves of their master (Paul Thangiah) ...

    So, we have to pray for those who saved and not to be decieved by these false ministers ..

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  23. and mr vimal i would ask u da same thing............................... and derrick i am not a bit interested in wat yu did who te hell cares if ur 27 or 57........... i am just pissed at the fact that you and ur friends such as vimal,pudunguraj etc speak crap abt a man of god...... btw do yu think by this little blog of urs even 1 person is gonna stop gng to his church??? then u are SADLY MISTAKEN!!!. and ya mr vimal no one cares about ur debating skills use it to do something else and not defaming a man of god!!!

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    1. Joshy- exactly like someone told you earlier, if you are really a fllower of God and if Thankgiah is teaching you the right thing and you are learning the same you would not respong the way you are right now. why are you etting carried away. people are not fools, some day or the other they will wake up and see what is happening. no body is asking people not to go to his church, why are you assuming it. these people steal in the name of thites. let us see your so called pastor accounting in public what he recieved form peopel and how it has been utilized. how can a man of God in full time ministry live such a lavish lifestyle. instead f that he can live a simple life and genuinely help the real needy who come to his church. and deepak how come u are seeing through Gods eyes!!! really surprised. no one is here to judge, but just to help people not to get fooled.

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    2. another thing that i wanted to add is he called the whole freakin city to his sons wedding. what was he trying to show off? im stealing from you nad giving a small amount of your money to u, in the name of a reception??
      what was a necessity for such pomp and show for his sons wedding and who is funding it??? poorest of the poor people who are getting fooled by him. I am a christian and someone who does not believe in any community and any apstor or anyone. we have to pray for our own souls. we have to reap what we sow. Pray for your selves and stop getting fooled.

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  24. very well said josh!!!!! and dont waste ur time with losers like this....we knw the truth and so does god....pastor is riteous in the eyes of god... we dont need to convince these ppl GOD EVENTUALLY WILL!!!!

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  25. "Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
    But to those who have been joined in matrimony, it is not I who commands you, but the Lord: a wife is not to separate from her husband." -1 Corinthians 7:5


    "If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church? " - 1 Timothy 3:5

    Remember its not I who commands you, but the LORD
    Now How can you tell that pastor is riteous in the eyes of GOD......

    (NB: this is from New International version Bible I dont know whether its present in Paul thangiah's version )

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  26. Mr.PERFECT OR whoever you may be, He is preaching (TRUTH, LIGHT & LIFE)ie. JESUS CHRIST to the nation where majority of them are ignorant or rather have no knowledge of true GOD, its easy to write a comment from your office / home in an a/c environment. My friend JESUS is supreme wisdom he gives to them who seek. If you're wise enough & have knowledge, pick for yourself what is Good & nourishing to your soul. Make a commitment to bring one lost soul every week to the knowledge of CHRIST.

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  27. All these guys supporting the criminal.. I doubt whether all these are ids created by Thangayya himself. Otherwise which sane man will say good abt him if they have atleast some commonsense!!! or else these guys are paid by Thangayya to righood going brothers. But for atleast once touch ur heart and say out the truth

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  28. True Derrick ... on the basis of the word of God 1Tim 3:5 P.Thangiah does not have the right to be a pastor in God's ministry today.

    However, this guy started the church business (Not God's ministry) to make money only. So, he never follows God and any of the Bible principles. Individual's business using God's name can not be considered as God's ministry.

    On the other side, deceived people are spiritually blind and deaf. These false prophets make those kind of spirits to enter into the people using FIRE ministry (make these people fall down). That is why they can not see what God has written in the Bible and they can not hear what God says through His Word.

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  29. well mr derrick u can quote alot of things.....i say that u are the devils messenger misinterpreting gods word to use it against someone....if u really have the brains read genesis to revelation and u urself will receive a revelation proving to urself that u and ur friends(ponuraj, kurian,vimal and sreejit) are satan incarnate..... and yeah mr kurian let me tell u that pastor is a man who does not care 4 ur words....he probably dosent even knw dat der is such a blog.......its we the true believers who react to such crap written abt a man of god........as josh rightly said and i quote "GET A LIFE PPL"!!!!

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  30. mr pudunguraj many ppl knw wat a backstabbing fraud u are and so do i!!! yoll ppl are so bent upon revenge that u are being worse than the ppl who percute christians...are u lifting the name of god thru this blog?????...the devil is using yoll ppl through ur hatered to lel down christians...........im sure that many ppl like yoll were der even during job s time taking advantage of the situation to defame god!!!!......well said deepak praise god!!

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  31. the main problem of des people is dat they are jealous........useless people only know to criticise men of god......tell me mr ponnuduraj and derrick and the others.... why the hell are u affected by a mans clothing.......do u expect him to preach in rags???? well u said that jesus lead a humble lifestyle rite??? well that was 2000 yrs back!!!!times have changed from then.......if u are soooooooooo noble as u speak, u all i presume may be walking around nude??? BE CAREFUL BEFORE U JUDGE!!!!

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  32. It was fun reading the comments posted by foot soldiers of Fraud: Paul Thangiah. Joshy,Deepak you are deviating away from the main points i have raised and are jabbering about other things. i can understand your difficulty in giving straight answers to my points. is that not hypocrisy to the core ??

    I guess it is better that we leave these enlightened souls to fender for themselves.These ppl always come up with the much reiterated verse "Don't judge others since God alone has the right to judge" whenever a question is raised against any wrong doing .But they forget that this God himself has given each the power and wisdom to discern. As a parent who guides their children when they go astray, we also have a duty as Christians to point out the wrong.
    What do you know about Christianity ? It is not just drumming and shouting, it is geting that inner peace through service.. What service paul thangiah is doing other than mass hypnotism and creating mass hysteria ??

    @hari- I think you have a misconception about preaching .People who run church businesses and people who self proclaim themselves as the Man of God are not the real one who preaches the supreme wisdom. It is basically through our acts we need to show the real meaning of Christianity . And I don’t think I need to disclose whatever I have done and still doing for spreading the words of Jesus.

    @Joshi/Deepak – I dint have bothered whether he wears suit or jackets if it was brought using his money and hardwork . It is from the money they collected from the poorest of poor . It is the money received for charity work that these people use for luxury living.
    “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread” this is what bible taught us.

    Joshi Said-“ well u said that Jesus lead a humble lifestyle rite??? well that was 2000 yrs back!!!!”
    -What are you trying to say Joshi? Is it like Jesus would have preached wearing Suits ,changed his car atleast 3 times a year, have travelled in Business class and have led a luxurious life …….If it was 2011 AD. !!!
    Please do come back to your senses.

    Joshi Said-“if u are soooooooooo noble as u speak, u all i presume may be walking around nude”….. ..….basically people with low IQ resort to such foolish statements.
    leading simple life and wearing simple dress doesn’t means wearing nothing .Again pls do come back to your senses.

    Next time come up with sensible stuffs rather than beating round the bush !!
    Joshi/Deepak :let God gives you the intelligence to understand the true Lord, not the false prophets ……

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  33. It is a curse to these kind of people follow the false prophets. They are not ready to accept the truth about their master Thangiah and his Ex. wife Sheeba. The following prophetic word for people who likes their master to do all evil and practice adultery using God's name. These guys thinks that stealing offerings money and practicing adultery in the church is true ministry and that is "Blessings" ...


    (Jeremiah 5:21) Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear

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  34. @ derrick u are the one who is diverted..... and yeah m sure if it was 2011ad jesus would have done the same.......i guess talkin to ppl like ull decently will not work.....yoll knw da truth but are bent upon putting down true, genuine men of god.....suite urselves!!!

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  35. hey ppl plz for heavens sake stop.... he is not god to be spoken off so much ...... instead of spendin time bloggin about him u can pray or try to spread d gospel......god wil judge every man according to his deeds.....n guy y r u bothered about his wife so much ......? wen he is only so relaxed .........n ul say ul work in a corporate firm n ul r open minded ...... plz clean d dirt n ur eyes before u point at others eyes.plz stop sayin ur helpin ur brothers n sister know about false prophet .......bible says dont judge other cause u wil be judged d same way........

    for d guys who support pas paul .... hey cool ppl he is just a man of god not god ......every human being has to be judged on the day of judgement.. for his or her deeds .... be it paul thangiah or benny hinn or any one ... just because he is pastor paul thangiah god wil not directly give the crown of glory ... he has to answer for every single penny(offering) he spent for his lavish living ..... im not judging but d word of god says so...........

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  36. hey just because some in commenting about ur pastor .. i doesnt mean u should call them demons.....jesus also was insulted n hurted by ppl did he call them demon ......? he instead said father forgive them for they no not wt they do.........did not ur pastor teach u tis ..?

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  37. All you people are jobless.... instead of arguing leave it to God to judge the people you are discussing about

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  38. Everyone knows about this guy's (Paul Thangiah) family and the moral life of himself and all his family members including his wife. They can not be a role model for Good families.

    How come this guy writes books like "Family or Call Center" ?

    Did anyone read this book?

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  39. To, those who are pulling pastor's leg :

    Everyone is entitled to your opinions/ assumptions. So, please do not drag names. you may be from B-school etc...i stay in U.S i know the value of GSB, Kellogs & London business school and quality of individuals these schools produce - just bcoz you are from B-school, don't think that you are changing the world and being soo the so called 'Innovative' in attaking others. First of all, if you don't like someone, you should leave it to GOD to judge...there are 1000 things people do,doing against the scriptures....I have been in corporate word for the past 10 years, your ATTITUDE absolutely reflects the typical POLITICS that takes place in day to day life....nothing personal against you....

    Don't critisize people as it is very easy to criticize your life and activities. If you have guts, start a church and PROVE yourself - now don't tell me i have money, i don't like this profession that etc....IF YOU ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT CHANGING THE SOCIETY / BANGALORE, YOU SHOULD DO THAT AND IF IT IS GODS WILL, IT WILL HAPPEN BY YOU......

    All these things happen when someone is growing at fast phase. Don't think/ dream that 20K people visiting the church are FOOLS and you are someone who is sending satellites to moon....DON'T BE IN YOUR LALLA LAND...It's a wakeup call, just pray for others...GOD BLESS YOU...

    Let me know if you have any questions. Typically, i go for hiring across India and am bored of stupid arguments....which may makes sense to few individuals...

    Take care group...have a nice weekend...

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    1. Vijay, you may be in the US or do hiring or whatever. people here know the inside out of hwat is happening and what is potrayed. its just that money makes many things. you are forgetting that you are talking about india and its very easy to fool people here. no wonder we have so many fraud sanyasis,babas and pastors. this is a land where people pray to the monkey, rat, elephant, tree, sun, mountain, tree and what not. so when people talk strong words commoners get carried away. few here are just trying to help people open their eyes and see things in the right way, not in the illusion that thangiah is keeping them in. just shouting and screaming will not help for too long. one day or other people will wake up. preaching is easy practising is tough. as a pastor people expect him to set examples. preaching give and it will be given - very easy. but ask him to others - very difficult. he will give you a hundred reasons may be a thousand also.
      1 changing cars
      2 buying appartments
      3 staying at resorts
      many many more to name....
      yes he works really hard to get all of this. he wakes in the morning, screams, shouts, sometimes does double shifts. he works his way out. so this is nothing but an occupation for these people. today religion has become a business and the more you know and the more you lure people the richer you get, the more business you get and the more money you make.
      PEOPLE - DON BELIEVE ANY PEOPLE IN ANY DENOMINATION. YOU CAN READ THE WORD OF GOD, EXACTLY FROM WHERE THEY ARE READING. SO READ, SPEND TIME FOR YOUR OWN SOULS. PREPARE FOR THE COMING OF THE LORD. BELIEVE IN NO ONE BUT IN GOD.
      let me know if you have any questions !

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  40. cont....

    you take any argument, discussions etc.. globally, there will be always 1 or 2 guys out of 10 who oppose any good idea that comes to the table..

    So, we will have to live with majority verdict. for a obvious reason - INDIA IS TOO DEMOCRATIC...:):):)

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  41. Few Suggestions -

    1. Folks, it is advised (am not using the word should not) not to drag their family in open forums like this....go home, take a look at your family and surrounding...for sure you will identify some improvement areas / how to live better life in earth.

    2. You need to get your FACTS right. Sources? evidence? valid data points?

    3. If you are concerned about MONEY (PENNY) he is getting (argument sake, in your language he is making money), why don't you guys approach their team in formal means. Even you can check with them about his life style..lavish etc...

    4. He keeps saying this....you can go to any church..and get BLESSED..he never says YOU SHOULD SHOULD COME TO FGAG.

    5. FYI & FYA - Ministries may need funds (the only source for all churches across globe may be Offerings) to spread the gospel(evangelism in any country) in Digi media space, because DURING JESUS TIMES there was no media my friends....I hope you got it...

    I'm not in any fin. function to explain how things work...as am poor in accounts.

    Have a nice Sunday...

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  42. Mr.Ponnudurai,

    It appears to me like you are paid blogger to spread negatively about pastor. I have seen you posting across Web not just this page. They are 1000 other ways to get PUBLICITY. I know you are against FGAG , no doubt abt it. The sequence of rumours you spread / post are evidence for it...

    you can talk in general about the ministry,but not about their family...you will understand the pain only if you experience it...it is very easy to spread negative things about individual, group.

    for god's sake, please stop spreading dude...tell your masters who are paying / advising you to write these stupid blogs...that BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME..

    Lot of your talks don't have evidences...it is all good for Group Discussions...you need to be little innovative man...just because you know ENGLISH..it doesn't mean you write whatever you want....in public domain..

    You may be part of any religion, please do not target families...REMEMBER MONEY IS NOT THE ONLY THING IN MINISTRIES...There are things above money which people don't understand...World has changed....don't be in 1940's...things have drastically changed bos....

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  43. Sebastin,

    Would you like to have a debate with me on any topic related to pastor? let me know....I can try to answer your questions...again eveything is my individual opinion. I may be wrong from your perspective as well :)

    believe me, i love debates...here are my famous programs in national television.

    1. Time now - The News Hr (Arnab sengupta)
    2. NDTV - We the people (Barkha Dutt)
    3. Devils Advocate (Karan)

    Looking forward...

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  44. For those who still still believe, people following FGAG are FOOLS :

    Yes, PRAISING FOOLS when it comes to "PRAISING GOD...PRAISING GOD...PRAISING GOD...". Do you believe these fools are only in Bangalore ?...Well, you haven't fully explored the www. yet.

    You may want to join the diversified PRAISING FOOLS?....Give a try :)...I'm sure you won't - just pressing my luck..JUST KEEP PRAYING FOR OTHERS...THAT'S IT...

    A BIG GOD BLESS YOU. Shoot me the ?'s. Catch you next weekend...as the whether here is very bad...

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  45. I dont understand what made you think he is a false prophet? What false prophecies did he make? Dont be too judgemental. A pastor would be casted away into hell if his actions are wrong, but the whole church would be saved becoz of wat he preached. I see what he preaches is TRUE and is everything from Bible. I am not interested in his personal life and other activities as long as what he preaches feeds my soul and helps me grow spiritually.

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  46. There are famous quotes on "ASSUMPTION" in Eng -
    and that is bcoz,

    "ASSUMPTION" IS THE MOTHER OF ALL ________(you can assume and write whatever you want to fill in here).

    If you don't know how to fill - google and pick whatever suits you that ultimately reflect respective ATTITUDE....

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  47. pl visit www.kovaibereans.activeboard.com

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  48. What is your question? What is that site got to do with the discussion here?

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  49. Peace be with ya'll in the name of Jesus!!! For all that every one knows... if sum1 reads thru the whole blog again. ur inner conscious would say what is just and what represents Jesus. and as Vijaya rightlly said Assumptions is the mother of all assumptions. If sum1 is spreading the good news we just need to thank Jesus for the same. If some1 is acting as if they are spreading the good news and making a "earthly" fortune we still need to pray to Jesus that that man repents and turns good. "Assumption..."

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  51. A few people here would have been running around as a 5 year old or 6 year old in their diapers when pastor paul started his ministry with 3 people in 1982. At that time no one knew who he was and wat his vision was. No one wanted to blog like this and waste their time. coz pastor paul thangiah's name was unheard and nobody was bothered. U guys think by fluke his ministry expanded from 3 to 20000 today? There were days when he had a cycle with which he visited people in his ministry. There were days when he had no food to serve his family, at that time nobody here said he was a false prophet. infact people said indira nagar he can never pioneer a church, but he was so clear of gods plan and went ahead and started this church. Not one of u hear am sure has started a ministry like this, i dont understand who gave u the authority to say he is false. whatever his life is, why u guys bothered. If jesus lived in todays world and had a church, am sure that church would have had only drugg addicts, sex addicts and sinners, coz jesus came to save the sinners. Jesus said "let the man who has no sin throw the first stone at this woman" wat surprises me is all u sinners are commenting at this man of god like u guys are perfect. Sad. Anyways god bless

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  52. Indeed, I was about to say the same thing Trial!.

    Where were these so called "Intellectuals" who are commenting on FGAG ministry then?. They are not able to digest the growth and they themselves think others are fools, craps etc..

    FYI - Attorneys don't waste time in blogs.They have multiple things to do..so, don't dream / assume...again..Importantly, they talk only if they have valid data / data points.

    The truth seems to be coming out now from "dnlndrwvlr"(next time please come with some proper name - can't even interpret the name) HIS own words, the issue is the "group" he is referring to...I'm not here to provoke/condemn/criticize the principles of any particular group. Also, you have no right to comment on any group. Maintain some degree of standards when you have debates in public domains like this. I can can give you a betting reply in your same tone, the only fact is my culture stops me.

    Let me ask you few questions -

    1. Do you have results of any analysis you conducted where you have taken all the pastors in the arena and seen what % of them are seperated (as per your definition)?
    Well, if you don't have the analysis results, you are just pulling situations that fits your need / discussion and trying to build a story / case.

    2. If you are more concerned about his TITLE, you better call them directly and have a open discussion, they will provide necessary answers as i told in the previous discussions. Looks like you need spiritual answers, only people
    who are highly inclined spiritually can answer your innovative questions and only then you will be satisfied it seems like.

    3. What shame FGAG members created to the community?. you mentioned some streets etc..( i know a street in Indira nagar 6th main, where there are full of people on sundays - now again don't say FGAG members are fools etc..they are also a human being like you..they eat food..they know english, they have brains, they work etc..)

    FINALLY, if any educated guy goes thru sequentially the entire blog, they will know the basics/ intention/motive behind it!

    Remember one thing, church members are nothing to do with the pastor. IT is between GOD (be it any) and PEOPLE.

    FYI - I visit all churches, just not FGAG...

    I would have more appreciated / supported your argument if i had/have heard similar negative comments in the past 20 yrs from many in the society (not just you 3). Looks like your case is too poor to defend.

    I would really want to have a debate with you, but honestly i know the output is not going to be productive and nothing is going to come out (in every 100, 1 or 2 keep screaming about their dislikes which no one can help).Better use that time to do some good things for KINGDOM OF GOD.

    A BIG GOD BLESS YOU!...KEEP PRAYING FOR OTHERS..NO MATTER WHAT YOU LIKE OR DISLIKE...

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  55. You are fully entitled to your OPINION.

    May be, your philosophies/innovative blunders (my individual view- i may be wrong) have 0% impact on the ministry / society/ the group you are referring to. This ministry was built only thru PRAYERS AND FASTING PRAYERS (i hope you believe this, look for the scriptures). You try and run a ministry with 20K congregation + manage 100's of churches; you will know the effort that is required to build such strong congregation. It took 30 yrs to build this....(dude - what is rich/poor got to do, everyone is same in front of god, no rich was there with him when he started this church 1980's..).

    This is just like any other ministry in the globe. No rocket science boss!!!!!!!!!!

    You will never ever understand the fundamentals. You will continue to live in your ASSUMPTIONS AND LALLA LAND...

    Have a good day...Take care....

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  56. Don't worry much about me watching television programs (focus on the discussion topic). Lot of your thoughts are immaterial

    FYI -

    It is one of the most watched interviews in URBAN URBAN India and such programs exists in some of the most powerful countries in the PLANET as well. People watch these programs with some intention and THIS IS NOT A "FIXTION".

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  58. FYI – I’m not a MBA, Just using the basic GK skills.. I meant the effort and not your definition of the word “MGMT”. Again, you can interpret however you want..(Nobody STOPS you).

    I’m just here to have discussion / probably respond to your thoughts. Don’t worry much about me and what I do etc.., just STAY FOCUSED ON THE TOPIC… It’s just waste of time..Nothing will be productive.

    Oops….i can’t really pull names the way you are doing…bcoz..i don’t have any VALID data…ALSO, YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPARE “APPLES” WITH “ORANGES”….(I can’t question your ASSUMPTIONS here as well bcoz..you are entitled to your OPINION and ASSUMPTIONS). Anyways, don’t DIVERT by bringing in comparisons….

    EXAMPLE: YOU AND YOUR ATTITUDE CAN BE COMPARED WITH SOO MANY POSITIVE / NEGATIVE things in the WORLD!... I generally don’t compare human beings or objects because the METHOD OF EVALUATION COULD BE INCORRECT and WILL DIFFER PERSON TO PERSON (it all depends on the environment they come from). As far I know, CIVILIZED CITIZENS follow this principle.

    Absolutely, I understand your FRUSTRATION! Don't try to divert. Writing paragraphs doesn't mean you are answering questions. i asked you few questions on the data (refer to my previous threads). Do you have the data? bring the data i will show how to interpret results. Then, talk..until then don't AIR things. You pulled 5-6 names as examples, bring the total # of individuals married running ministries. I will show you how WORLD reads the results...(refer to the science behind how scientist came up with cut-off values for DIAGNOSTIC TESTS IN MEDICAL INDUSTRY).

    Again, you are not understanding, people don't follow /pray HIM HIM boss. Why do you interpret and ARRIVE AT YOUR own conclusions. No ONE CARES him...(I USE THE BIBLE PRINTED BY BIBLE SOCIETY OF INDIA) people come to worship GOD.. Now, don't ask me to SHOW the GOD....:).

    Do you have any AUTORIZED VALID info. (no ASSUMPTIONS /INNOVATIVE BLUNDERS OR COOK-UP’s here plz) of people telling he is “GOD”?. At least I have not heard of any FOOLS so far.

    AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS FROM SCRIPTURES....You can read and interpret in your own ways..STITCH STORIES that enables / allows you to criticize individuals / groups, no one questioned your skill. The problem in you is "ILLUSION"....in your own language. "NEGATIVE THOUGHT IS A DISEASE!!!!" …Your expressions appears that you want to SWIM in that world!..

    You don’t even know the JACK & JILL of this ministry and posting comments…blogs…and your evidences are “Mr. X told, Mr. Y told MR. DEVIL , MR. ASSUMPTIONS told etc…” and trying to instruct others how to - lead life, how to run ministries, etc.. , what color shirt, pant, blazer should they wear, What spects they should wear, what they should eat, what they should read, money, what title they hold, their person things, life style etc..

    Also, no one requested/expects a CERTIFICATE from you on any individual / group’s INTERGRITY…as you don’t even got the FUNDAMENTALS right…that is the root cause of YOUR ASSUMPTIONS / INTERPRETATIONS.

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  59. Also, don’t act like KIDS about DEVIL titles…bcoz…if you believe /ASSUME that am DEVIL…I believe that rest of the WORLD believes that you hold a DEVIL title…ha ha ha…funny though (sorry, am forced to use this word here). You need to get more matured… (Now don’t pull scriptures please). Scriptures are meant for meaningful use and should not be USED RANDOMLY. I’m bored of your GYAN’s that doesn’t have authorized valid info.

    If these are your PRIMARY issues – Why do you wear CIVILIZED DRESSES (IN YOUR PHOTO), why don’t you live like people lived in OLDEN AGES…. DUDE….and YOU ACT as if you are the FOUNDER Of all the above OBJECTS…and pull scriptures that suits your CIRCUMSTANCES (AND INTERPRETING THE WAY YOU want it to be)…

    Do you OWN any PATENT (copyright) rights IN disproving anyone's FAITH?. Well, if you don't have any, YOU ARE MAKING MOKERY OF YOUR OWN THEORIES!!!

    I would definitely want YOU to SAVE THE WORLD / ACCORDING TO YOU "INNOCENT PEOPLE" FROM evils (please do whatever it takes)..YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED IN THE SOCIETY…

    Unfortunately, the CREATOR has not given you the privilege to CHOOSE/ CONTROL others FAITH… Finally, if you (BELIEVE / ASSUME / whatever in your own language) that he is INDULGED in wrong doings according to you AND YOUR VALID AUTHORIZED data, please PRAY TO GOD…to CHANGE HIM…AND THE SOCIETY…KEEP IT VERY SIMPLE. …

    Diversion tactics will lead to unproductive discussions, people are smart enough to understand the intention and read peoples mind…Also, if I start comparing things, your ENTIRE BLOG WOULD BE IN JUNK / TRASH zone..Hope you understand…my viewpoint.

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  60. Mr/Ms Trial, Even my father was in diapers when Sai Baba ,the notorious fraud ,homosexual,charlatan,trick master started his KARMA and preached blunders.....Today when his body is going to bury He has established himself has the spiritual leader of not only hindus across India but across the world irrespective of religion..He has active devotees across the globe which amount to around 6 Billion......SO Expanding ministry from 2 to 20000 is nothing when compared to this.....When he can fool 6 billion do you think Paul thangiah cant even fool mere 20000...Dont underestimate ur pastor paul thangiah!!!!

    Let me ask you few questions
    1. Can you justify his divorce with Sheba thangiah.
    He is the author of the book 'Family Home or call centre' In which he has written about how to overcome marital drift and experience the miracle of oneness....The author himself as divorced now...ironic rt???? Dont you followers feel betrayed by your master..What moral right he has now to preach tell me...

    Yes vijaya in every 100, its always 1 or 2 keep screaming or point out the corruption/betrayal/fraud/forgery etc... But if the majority are fools or brainless then there is no use and the success rate would be very less and they categorize those who screamed as cursed/demons/devil etc....The same is the case of Saibaba,nithyananda,Amritananthamayi etc...
    We all saw videos ,reports etc which had clearly exposed these frauds .But still their followers are not ready to accept those facts and are attracting more followers day by day(It is the same human being like me like you..they eat food..they know english, they have brains, they work etc....)
    .So I wont get surprise if the '20000' number FGAG increase to 200000 or 2000000. and I dont have any doubt or hesitation to categorize FGAG as another group of irrational fools similar to those who follow Saibabas......

    Trial said "There were days when he had no food to serve his family....." He now owns N number of homes in and around bangalore and has many cars.He acquired this wealth without any profession....What a 'MIRACLE' !!!!!

    “By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread”
    it is not I who commands you, but the Lord.

    Vijaya I am least interested in any debate with you fact is my brain stops me...
    Bcoz If you cant even understand the fact that whatever paul did is wrong according to bible then why should I waste my time....

    Read bible before you defend your master Paul thangiah.
    And if you can prove me what he did is right according to bible then you can add one more number to ur enlightened '20000'


    P.S: Saibaba claimed himself as the avatar of shirdi sai....Here paul is calling himself as Prophet!!!!!

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  61. I don't think you understood the meaning of APPLES and ORANGES....google it, you will know..better...

    Given that your BASIC itself is not INLINE, the following points related to your COMPARISON may not make sense (DON'T EVER ASSUME /believe with what others Say, unless you see in your own eyes / you reviewed AUTHORIZED DATA...you could be VERY WELL MISLEAD bcoz of various INNOCENT factors within YOU..) ...giving GYAN's to others is one of the easiest JOB'S in the world...

    What is your problem if someone is separated, i don't understand what is bothering you?. More over, how does that matter to the MAJORITY FOOLS (YOUR ASSUMPTION) you are referring to -

    ********MANY FOOLS THINK THAT YOU WERE THE ONE WHO DESIGNED THE MOON MISSION AND YOUR NAME IS REGISTERED IN MOON *********

    "First, question yourself before using these sort of words...sometimes it might BACKFIRE you.."

    For a simple fact, you don't OWN ANY PATENT rights in deciding how others should live their LIFE../ controlling OTHERS FUTURE...you are just just a HUMAN BEING like anyone else....(or for that matter, like FOOLS)...I can keep throwing words on you by sitting in a A/C room...but the fact is i just can't comment as I DON'T EVEN KNOW a JACK OF you...

    Is there any rule in your scriptures that says-
    1. They should not eat food
    2. They should not do what they have been doing in the past?
    3. They should not run ministries / entitled to preach etc..?...NOW DON'T TRY TO BUILD STORIES THAT FITS YOUR NEED....FROM SCRIPTURES.. or GAS SOME GYANS....OF YOUR OWN INTERPRETATIONS...

    Remember, you are living in a DEMOCRATIC WORLD, where individuals question anyone's INTEGRITY..

    I really don't have control over -

    what you should wear, Should you go in cycle or bus or car or walk or get married or should you own house or what color diapers you should use etc..

    ..BCOZ..OF THE SIMPLE FACT THAT EVERYONE IS ***UNIQUE***. JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE "BLUE" COLOR...YOU CAN'T EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE TO LIKE "BLUE" COLOR...Even the DREAMS don't accept this philosophy...(well, you can assume that this is possible)

    I'm only responding to your ASSUMPTIONS / INTERPRETATIONS / THOUGHTS...

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  62. FYI - I do read the book you are referring to. I have high respect for the scriptures and it is not meant for HAVING DEBATES, it has its OWN SIGNIFICANCE...and should be USED ONLY IN APPROPRIATE PLACES...(NOT IN DIRTY PLATFORMS..)

    Also, i don't want to misuse the scriptures at my convenience...to gain SCORE / TARGET INDIVIDUALS, GROUPS IN PUBLIC domains. I strongly believe that there are scriptures handy that can override your INNOVATIVE INTERPRETATIONS.....

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  63. ********MONEY / CORRUPT *********
    (You should join Anna Hazare movement if you and your peers are really concerned about changing the society!!! and the WORLD)

    Your allegations appears to be baseless (i may be wrong from your perspective), You take any ministry in the globe, the fundamental is "EVERYTHING IS DONE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE MINSTRY (few individuals will always not like...THIS IS TRUE FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU DO IN YOUR LIFE)". There will always be people CRIBBING about their DISLIKES...WHICH YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT....

    What reports do you have to prove your allegation? (no assumptions or day dreams or mr.x , mr. y told etc...)

    If you buy a new bike, and you strongly believe that you got it thru your earnings / money you are entitled to spend, and your neighbour ASSUMES AND tells that this guy has got the vehicle, thru some SCAMS...would you buy that logic? How would your experience be in this scenario dude?
    (NO COMPARISONS HERE PLZ)...

    Also, "Offerings" are general in any ministry..if you have or like contribute, otherwise JUST WATCH THE SHOW......simple..no high funda stuff...

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  64. Also, am least least bothered about what the individuals mentioned do...its like "YOU" are being compared with "PRESIDENT OF SOME COUNTRIES"...doesn't make sence..

    This is purely a christain ministry..keep your comparisons within this limit...I'm really not concerned with out of context issues and comparisons.....As i said...i don't even CARE what individuals do....it is imaterial to me...

    if you are really interested go and create a BLOG to discuss those topics - so that you can get DINGED...right and left....by people in the web...

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  65. ****TITLE & OTHER ISSUES*******

    As i already advised, am SHIT concerned about these elements, It seems like you have LAUNDRY LIST of questions regarding Titles, money is making, fraud, false, his person things...what he does etc..YOU SHOULD CONSULT THEIR group or talk to them...WHY ARE GUYS NOT DOING THAT...instead you are SITTING AND SPECULATING SOME of THINGS ON YOUR OWN...What stops you from doing that? Also, it may be useful for your future questions.

    All am interested is in the MINISTRY..NOTHING ELSE...

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  67. Glad to know...
    It really doesn't matter to
    me who you are, what you do, background etc...

    FYI - I'm far away from your TITLE...I have very high respect for scientists(NON- ROGUE's) who are respected by the society and importantly..for their contribution to science..it is only bcoz they have authorized patent rights APPROVED BY FORMALLY ACCEPTED INTELLECTUALS..IN THE UNIVERSE /SOCIETY /BOARD...

    Only if a group of scientists talk to you, they will understand your degree of understanding SCIENCE...I can't sit and ASSUME here..

    I'm not an individual who expects that EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN!!!..Well, if someone assumes that this is wrong, i can't help it out...people can live in their own worlds..

    Let me clarify - A, O are terms, nouns used when you compare two groups / objects etc..

    For eg :
    A - people <=25 yrs age
    O - people >=50 yrs age

    Fundamentally, even though they are human beings, BOTH groups cannot be compared. bcoz...they characteristics are different. if you say, i will still go and compare, the following/immediate steps don't make sense..and your results WILL BE IN TRASH!!! (This is basics of comparison…) and no one would be interested to buy the logic…and it is just waste of effort!...(more questions...read the science behind comparisons)

    ABSOLUTELY...YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!

    I have been telling you since inception that am not HIGHLY SPIRITUALLY INCLINED. I don't know why it took this much time to understand...

    Accordingly to me SPRITIUALLY INCLINED people are individuals, human beings who pray 8 hrs a day and they dedicate their life for GOD (irrespective of religion, caste ,money, politics, life style etc...), involved in full time ministry..who will do anything to take the gospel to the unreached uttermost parts of the earth...and a respected person in the society.... (i may be wrong from your view)

    I strongly believe that am not in that category and don't want to give some stupid lectures / gyans w/o knowing things in DETAIL....i can't just bluff like a JOKER in the midst...and i know my LIMITS...

    This is the 3rd time am answering your question on TITLE...money....fraud...etcc..etc...

    I have asked you to contact their group and try to find out what those elements are...etc..and go with your evidences and scriptures...INSTEAD OF AIRING THINGS....and PULL ALL THE PEOPLE WHO YOU DON'T LIKE...CONDUCT A WORLD TOUR...BY HAVING PERSONAL MEETING WITH THEM...this is the best approach i can think of for you...for your answers...

    "if you have pain around your neck, you should go and meet the doctor,doctor will not come to know that you have pain..."..DOCTOR CANNOT ASSUME THAT someone is having PAIN...

    you should reach out...to people...things don't come to your door steps....

    As you said, these are "useless" debates, i completely agree with you...and MOST OF THE DEBATES (sharing views) ARE ONLY INTERESTING AND THEY ARE INCONCLUSIVE...with with
    ******NO ACTIONS*****....just interesting...wow!...people will clap and clean the vessels and go....over...****NO ACTIONS****

    Well, you know what…I really cannot waste my time…by trying to understand the STORIES BEHIND STORIES… and am not interested in “wow, interesting etc…” stuff…. or giving gyan's to others...

    Good luck…and a BIG GOD BLESS YOU!....Have a good day...

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  68. ***************IT IS INTENTIONAL ****************

    As far as am concerned, i stick to my principles.
    "I WILL NOT USE ANY SCRIPTURES"..IN THIS SORT OF FORUMS...

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  72. Hey I have a suggestion here, Why dont all you jokers become GOD and judge all the people of the world. May be you guys will do an awesome Job. All the Best you jobless fellows wasting time on other men of god. Remember god does not like this one bit

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  74. Any prophet will follow Word of God. Basis of Bible is Love. P.T could not love his wife and they seperated. How can we call him(P.T) man of God?

    -Arul Varman

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  75. EVERYBODY, I AM APOLOGIZING NOW HOLEHEARTEDLY FOR TALKING BAD BEHIND OUR PASTOR THANGIAH BACK. LAST WEEK I ACCEPTED THE TRUTH AND REPENT OF THE LIE THAT LIVING IN MY HEART FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS ABOUT PAUL THANGIAH.

    EVERYBODY HERE THAT WHOM I HAVE PIERCED THE HEART WITH MY BETRYAING WORDS, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE HAVE MERCY ON ME AND FORGIVE ME.

    I AM IGNORANT MAN WITHOUT MORALS. MY NAME IS GERALD. NOT MR HOLY ANYMORE ONLY GOD IS HOLY NOT ME NOT ANYBODY. ONLY GOD. FORGIVE ME PASTOR PAUL, FORGIVE ME ALL HERE. I TRY TO LEARN NOW TO BECOME GOOD MAN WITH MY MOUTH, EYES AND HANDS

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  77. You are right Bro.Daniel Andrew ... These guys PT's gundas would have threatened Gerald (BeHoly) ... That is their common strategy for not spreading PT's diverse news and truth about her wife and children ...

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  78. Thanks to blind faith, such fake pastors and their ministries thrive, These guys preach PROSPERITY GOSPEL- a total deviation from biblical teachings and his followers accept this crap without any reason since they all are gullible. Their teachings are only for their personal benefit since they are acute businessmen with excellent marketing skills. As the adage goes. SEX and RELIGION sells, since these two are basic needs. So people beware, before you come across these charlatans.

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  80. Sandeep: I Didnt understand y most of them are discussing about his wife..

    Please Read Book of JOB and read below lines
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    Brief Summary: The book opens with a scene in heaven where Satan comes to accuse Job before God. He insists Job only serves God because God protects him and seeks God’s permission to test Job’s faith and loyalty. God grants His permission, only within certain boundaries. Why do the righteous suffer? This is the question raised after Job loses his family, his wealth, and his health. Job's three friends Eliphaz, Bildad and Zophar, come to “comfort” him and to discuss his crushing series of tragedies. They insist his suffering is punishment for sin in his life. Job, though, remains devoted to God through all of this and contends that his life has not been one of sin. A fourth man, Elihu, tells Job he needs to humble himself and submit to God's use of trials to purify his life. Finally, Job questions God Himself and learns valuable lessons about the sovereignty of God and his need to totally trust in the Lord. Job is then restored to health, happiness and prosperity beyond his earlier state.

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    Job is going to be a kind of ‘test’. Job pleases God as a servant and friend. God allows Satan (the devil) to test Job. We want to know whether Job will continue to love God. We want to know whether Job will remain loyal to God.

    "Satan" is the Culprit. He creates lot of problems in our personal life. Same way to the pastor.

    I Myself going to church for past two years. I dint find anything wrong in his preachings.

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  81. People it would be nice if we stop fighting over such issues...Who are we to judge ANYONE...EVERY INDIVIDUAL is answerable to God...He is the supreme judge..I highly recommend all to view these messages, instead of arguing here...

    http://cfcindia.com/web/mainpages/video_archive.php

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  82. It's the end times guys. Jesus is coming soon. Be on watch. It could be anytime. MARANATHA !!!

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  83. well done for being devil's tool mr beholy! everyone knows about pastor paul, bt you have all the time in the world to sit and write bad things about pastors. instead go and do something worthy. just because people applaud your act doesnt mean you are doing something right. in an everyday life too, just try talking bad about someone, everyone will follow suit to say something. everyone will believe. that is how the world works. so dont be too carried away jus cos they are joining hands with you in your mission. this has become a way of life for many christians to bad mouth pastors and creating a debate out of it. wow.. christians are so free! cant win a soul, cant do ministry but talking all this, so smart. This is why Christ died. You are making the devil happy and in no way our Jesus!

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  84. Everybody has a right to their opinion, and as Voltaire said, "I may not agree with you, but I shall unto death defend your right to disagree". It is not for me to judge whether one is a false prophet or not, however, the good LORD has given us enough brains to discern such people. NO ASSUMPTIONS. Just follow the scriptures.
    Daniel, I am not a member of FGAG, however I exhort you not to comment against the HOLY SPIRIT (tongues) which is unpardonable as per the scriptures.
    I think it is time for all of us to move on and lay this topic to rest. May God Bless all of you (for and against debaters) and grant you the wisdom to discern the right from the wrong.

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  85. Is it true that Apostle Paul Thangiah has divorced his wife Sheeba?

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  87. Yes.... fraud: paul Thangiah has divorced his wife without any reasons......I dont think even the fellow followers(fools) of fraud Thangiah will deny this Fact

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  88. True worship as Apostle Paul from the bible says is to offer your bodies a living sacrifice to God. This is your reasonable service.

    This means you give your every minute to God, not just speak spirituality. Go out to the streets and preach Jesus Christ to individuals in shopping malls, parks and the corners where they practice sin. Jesus was always heavy hearted when he saw these people living in sin knowing they are headed for hell and did all he could to warn them.

    But the worship according to Paul Thangiah is to shout and dance in churches. Spend time praising his preaching and his empire. Prove yourself self righteous. Talk about their wealth and greatness all the time. Instead of just praising a pastor or preacher, it's everyone's duty to preach the gospel and to visit the sick and pray for them. In this pagan nation, we have a lot of non Christian friends and with our families, work and the business of this life, we fail to spend time to visit them and pray for them and tell them about sin, death, hell and salvation through Jesus Christ.

    Everyone is answerable for his own soul and his deeds, for he shall receive the reward according to his deeds, hence each one should test preachers and prophets instead of just supporting them. Each one has a responsibility to preach to the gentile and to serve and help fellow Christians, and should utilize their time to do so.

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  89. uselesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ppl dont waste time in backstabbing men of god with ur useless words..............GOD KNOWS HIS SERVANT AND HE WILL GUIDE HIM THRU ALL SITUATIONS IN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MATTER WAT ANYONE , I REPEAT ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOOOONNNNNE SAYYS!!!!! PAS PAUL IS AN AMAZING MAN OF GOD TOUCHING THE WORLD THROUGH HIS MINISTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  90. well 15 years back.pastor paul thangiah came to goa,his mesage was simple and it was about jesus and other so called gods...after that i dnt keep a track of him but wa again suprised to see him preachin in goa last year,this time too he preached about sin and forgiveness and suprisingly he even distributed thousands of books free of cost named family and call centre...see guys its difficult to understand a man of god.no man of god was perfect in the bible all fell and god judged them and restored them back...so if pastr paul his wrong just leave him and appreciate that through him many came to jesus initially if not now...tkc guys life goes on.

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  91. dnlndrwvlr,
    Let me keep it simple - your responses (assumptions, own interpretations, philosophies, etc....) are highly appreciated and may may work for a good *****************BOX-OFFICE..************ your issues seems to be growing day by day and taking a global turn now. Lot of things you mentioned above are impractical and doesn't work/ hard to believe in a federal structure. you are far away from what ministries do and above SKY...

    You seem to be very much interested in researching others life-sytle. especially, on the below -

    1. What others should do?
    2. How others should live?
    3. Why others did this way?
    4. What others should eat? What should they wear? Why did they marry? How can they marry? Why did someone get seperated?
    5. Why did someone die?

    There are lot of research papers on the above in web, if someone is trying to make fun of others and precisely DICTATE TERMS..one would assume that someone is highly disturbed / frustrated about their DIS-LIKES. And surely one would know what would be the reason. I hope you know the meaning of DICTATORSHIP and where it ends...world has seen many examples...

    All i can say is, "DO SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE KINGDOM OF GOD..."

    Critics is always good...but, most of the time it doesn't produce results.

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  92. Hi All .

    I have been searching everywhere for details about Paul Thangiah's divorce ,...but cant find much info about it.

    Is Paul Thangiah really divorced ?
    Is he married again or living with someone ?
    What about his earlier wife Sheeba.
    Is she living with someone else or married again ?

    All said and done , divorce and divorcees are one of the hall marks of the Evangelical Church.
    You cant deny that.
    They claim that it they know the truth,...but it is a pity that they cannot follow it.;-) LOL

    Can any one give me a translation of the following links which are in Tamil.

    http://www.jamakaran.com/tam/2010/april/kelvi_badhil.htm
    http://www.jamakaran.com/tam/2010/june/kelvi_badhil.htm

    If possible , mail me at my id

    vikas1922001@gmail.com

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  93. Derrick for God's sake just stop what you are doing here. And for some people here, they way they talk looks like they don't want a pastor or a preacher on earth. We need them for our spiritual growth...they are there to give us proper insight from the word of God. But if you have any issues with a man of God just stop following him. But just commenting about them and using all language doesn't help in anyway. And as someone rightly said - let God judge them if their ways are not pleasing before him. When we are pointing fingers on someone else, who knows anything might happen even in lives..one should watch out the words that they utter.

    And for you Joshy, it'll be nice if you take back the word that you used.

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  94. i dnt uderstand y people r so concerned abt whats going in ones personal life..

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  95. If you are sincere and earnest, you can start now, from the same spot you stand, to move in the right direction. You will be justified! No denomination is perfect and truth-ful right now. So, no one can claim to be full of the Spirit of God. If you make great claims now, then you may never accept that you are deceived, when it becomes evident. In this generation the only thing you can do is humbly accept one's wretchedness and wait for the times of restoration. These are the end days and things are about to be restored? http://enoch.org.il

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  96. for all of you who have posted your comments..and to the blogger.. Do you know what ministry is? Do you know what is Apostlic work? if you do only you will know that how tough it is..it is like labor pain that every apostles bearing everyday to bring a souls for the kingdom of Heaven..those who blogged and posted against Rev.Paul Thangiah why you are seeing others life this person is like this...that person is like this..first you go and see Your face in the mirror.I am not talking about the mirror that will show your face,i am talking about the mirror that will show Your Life.That mirror is The Holy Bible.Even though they are not rightheous before men .Let God Judge them.I am not the follower of paul thangiah I am not the believer of his church.I am just ordinary Christian trying to reflect Jesus Christ in my Life...I humbly request you Don't try to prove others are not good because you himself proving that you're not good.Don't try to point your finger to others because rest of Your fingers is pointing towards you.Anyway already you are not showing Jesus through Your Life so try to be like Jesus.

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  97. பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா மனைவி வீட்டைவிட்டு வெளியேறிவிட்டார். பலமாதங்கள் இருவரும் பிரிந்து வாழ்கின்றனர். அதனால் உதவி பாஸ்டரோடு இணைத்து பேசப்பட்டார். வெளியில் பிரபல தொழில் அதிபரோடு இணைத்துப்பேசபட்டார். சில மாதங்கள் எங்கிருக்கிறார் என்று இவருக்கும் தெரியாமல், சபை மக்களுக்கும் தெரியாமல், யாரிடமும் சொல்லிக்கொள்ளாமல் வீட்டைவிட்டு வெளியேறுவது பரிசுத்தாவி பெற்று, அந்நியபாஷை பேசி, பெண்கள் கூட்டத்தில் பிரசங்கிக்கும் ஒரு பாஸ்டரின் மனைவிக்கு இது சாட்சியாகுமா?

    பெங்களுரில் பல பாஸ்டர்கள் கூடி இவர்களை சமாதானப்படுத்தி ஒன்றாக இணைந்து வாழ முயற்சி எடுத்தார்கள். இரண்டு பேரும் இணங்கிவரவில்லை.

    இவர்கள் இரண்டு பேரும் சபை மக்களுக்கு என்ன உபதேசிப்பார்கள். இவர்கள் பேசின அந்நியபாஷை மாய்மாலமானது என்பது இப்போதாவது விளங்குகிறதா? பணம் கோடிகள் இருந்தென்ன சொந்த வாழ்க்கையில் ஒரு ஊழியக்காரனுக்கு வீட்டில் சமாதானம் இல்லை, மனைவி இல்லை என்றால் அந்த வாழ்க்கை நரகமல்லவா?

    இவர்களுடைய மகன் அமெரிக்காவில் வேலை செய்கிறார். அவர் அமெரிக்காவில் ஒரு பெண்ணை காதலித்துவிட்டார் இதுதான் பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா, அவர்களின் மனைவி பாஸ்டரைவிட்டு பிரிந்து போன பிரச்சனைக்கு மையக்காரணம் என்று பெந்தேகோஸ்தே பாஸ்டர்கள் கூறுகிறார்கள். ஆனால் இது அல்ல பிரச்சனையின் மையக்காரணம், இதற்கும் அப்பால் பிரச்சனைக்கான வேர் இருக்கிறது. அது பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாவுக்கும், அவர் மனைவிக்கும் குடும்பத்தில் உள்ள இரண்டு பேர்களுக்கும், உடன் ஊழியர் ஒருவருக்கும் மட்டுமே அறிந்த விஷயமாகும். பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாவின் வாய்மொழி வார்த்தைகளை வைத்தும், சபைமக்கள், மற்ற பாஸ்டர்மார் யாவரும் வெளிப்படையாக அறிந்த விஷயத்தை வைத்தும் இப்பிரச்சனையை விவாதித்தார்கள். ஆனால் பாஸ்டர் அவர்களின் பதில் விசுவாசிகள் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளக்கூடியதாக இல்லை.

    புருஷன் மனைவி பிரிந்து வாழ்ந்தாலே பாஸ்டர் தன் பதவியை இழக்கவேண்டும். காரணம் நியாயம் எதுவானாலும் வேதவசனத்தின்படி 1 கொரி 7:5ல் உபவாசத்திற்கும், ஜெபத்திற்கும் தடையிராதபடிக்கு இருவரும் சிலகாலம் பிரிந்திருக்கவேண்டுமென்று சம்மதித்தாலன்றி, ஒருவரைவிட்டு ஒருவர் பிரியாதிருங்கள். உங்களுக்கு விரதத்துவம் இல்லாமையால் சாத்தான் உங்களைத் தூண்டிவிடாதபடிக்கு மறுபடியும் கூடி வாழுங்கள்.

    இவ்வளவு தெளிவாக வேதவசனம் சொல்லியிருக்க பரிசுத்த ஆவியை பெற்றுக் கொண்டேன், அக்கினி அபிஷேகம் பெற்றுக்கொண்டேன், விதவிதமான அந்நியபாஷை பேசுகிறேன். கர்த்தர்தான் என்னை அந்நியபாஷை பேசவைத்தார் என்று கூறும் இத்தனை பிரபலமான பெந்தேகோஸ்தே பாஸ்டர்களுக்கு மேலே கூறப்பட்ட கர்த்தரின் கட்டளை தெரியாதா?

    சென்னை அயனாவரம் அசம்பளிஸ் ஆப் காட் சபை பாஸ்டரும், பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாவும் இதே பிரச்சனையில் அகப்பட்ட இன்னும் ஏராளமான பெந்தேகோஸ்தே சபை பாஸ்டர்களும் மனைவியுடன் மறுபடியும் சேர்ந்து வாழும்வரை இவர்கள் யாரும் சபையை நடத்தக்கூடாது. இவர்கள் ஊழிய உயர்வைக்கண்டு கோபப்பட்ட பிசாசு இவர்களை சோதித்துவிட்டான் என்றோ, பிசாசு இவர்கள் குடும்பத்தை பிரித்து ஊழியத்தை கெடுக்கிறான் என்றோ பிசாசின்மேல் எளிதாக பழியைபோட இவர்கள் முயலுவார்கள். வேதம் பிசாசுக்கு இடம்கொடாதிருங்கள் என்று எச்சரிக்கிறது. இவர்களாக பிசாசுக்கு இடம் கொடுத்ததால்தான் பிசாசு இவர்கள் வாழ்க்கையில் நுழைந்தான். அவனாக இவர்களுக்குள் வர கர்த்தர் உத்தரவு கொடுக்கவில்லை.

    (பாஸ்டர்) ஒருவன் தன் சொந்த குடும்பத்தை நடத்த அறியாதிருந்தால் தேவனுடைய சபையை எப்படி (நடத்துவான்) விசாரிப்பான். 1தீமோ 3:5.

    அதேபோல தன் மனைவி தன்னைவிட்டு ஓடிப்போனதேன் என்று தனக்கு தெரியவில்லை என்று இவர் கூறும் கூற்றை இன்னும் பலர் நம்புகிறார்களே! ஊழியம் பாதிக்கப்படாமல் இருப்பதற்காக புருஷன்-மனைவி ஆகிய இருவரையும் மறுபடியும் ஒன்று சேர்க்க பலர் முயன்றனர். குறிப்பாக இவர்கள் பிள்ளைகள் முயன்றனர். ஆனால் முடியவில்லை.

    பரிசுத்த ஆவியானவர் பிரிக்கிறவர் அல்ல - சேர்க்கிறவர். இதன் அடிப்படையில் இவர்களை நிதானியுங்கள்.

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  98. so what? what are you trying to justify? it is someone's personal issue.

    what is ministry got to do with his personal issues?

    people are matured enough to understand the various issues in everyone's life..don't advice others what to do / how to live.

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  99. It looks like you want to keep the POT BOILING until whatever you want to achieve. None of your ideas are working out.

    You may go to the extent of asking questions like "WHY A PREACHER GETS FEVER WHEN HE BELIEVES IN GOD"....

    This is purely my personal view and i may be wrong.

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  100. Hey MrBeHoly, I really appreciate your efforts in bringing awareness to our Christians who are following the wrong track and they believe the track which they chose is going towards Christ, which is really taking them to the opposite.

    I found most comments are against your information because "So called, Modern days Christians" believe in fun when Jesus Christ insist on carrying the cross to follow him. But THE MODERN DAYS CHRISTIANS never want to follow Jesus Christ with a cross at the back of them. They want to walk in the bed of roses and wanna dance, rock and roll and have fun when Jesus Died for you. They want to have Fun and not Joy but we Christians work towards Joy and not Fun.

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  101. Noblekumar,

    I completly agree with you.

    There is nothing called "SO CALLED MODERN DAY CHRISTAINS"...everything is aligned with the country/ culture you live in.

    Also, it depends on how you view / see things..CHRISTAINS ARE CHRISTAINS....

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    1. Whatever you may says vijaya. ultimately they are frauds. he has to set thing straight before asking others to do it.
      no one would have been bothered about him being seperated if he did not preach steady family life. no one would have questioned about his lifestyle if he did not preach to others to give and about simplicity. don talk for him so much, im telling you with personal experience THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL FRAUDS - ABSOLUTE FRAUDS.

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  102. Well said Richa.....Thank God atleast few people are still there to talk against these frauds.

    BTW Vijaya Let me make it clear.

    1. We are not discussing about any ministry here.we are talking about a fraud who claims himself as 'Man of GOD' and do things which are against GOD.
    2. We dont have bothered about his lifesyle if he were not preaching Bible.
    3.You have every right to defend your master as a attorney do for a convict.But can you from the bottom of your heart agree with paul thangiah's deeds.
    4.Let me generalise one question....Do you agree with a christian who divorces his wife?
    5.Do you agree a person who doing no work lives in atmost luxury with the money he acquired from poorest of poor

    According to you can we call him 'a Christian'?

    BTW please comeback with simple and straightforward answers rather than ur earlier essays which ultimately conveys nothing!!!!

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  103. Well, i really cannot help if you can't understand simple messages, you don't have answers for those essays(fyi- those are summaries) and you advice others to write EFFECTIVE and OPTIMIZED answers....jokes apart.

    I'm not matured enough to judge others. Also, i don't like poking into other life and dont link issues in life with religion. Lot of your assumptions are crazy.

    Dude, where were you in 1980's, you din't have all these deeds, greedy related questions then?. Visions don't change every 5 yrs, it is the same from 1980's...One person cannot build this sort of ministry if people believe in your defn. of fraud.
    Go and first read the list of social activities if you feel these are luxury activities.

    GROWTH IS A TESTAMENT OF HARDWORK.

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  104. Richa,
    I admire your personal experience, if this individual is fraud he will not be spared during the judgment day (no one can escape and this individual is not an Alien)...

    All am saying is just a "point of view".

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  105. Instead of giving straightforward answers to my questions why you again beating around bushes.....

    Madame,Which bible you are following?

    BTW since you are a follower of Paul Thangiah my 'ASSUMPTIONS' looks crazy for you!!!!

    Madame Christianity is about living then preaching....and for me religion and life are not separate entities .Once life is directly related to the religious teachings thru which he brought up...and Christianity never teaches you about divorce and extravagant lifestyle...If still not clear please read bible first ,understand the teachings of Jesus Christ and apostles and then think of defending your fraud master Mr.paul thangiah

    BTW doing social activities doesnt suffice. Even SaiBaba and Amritananta Mayi are doing the same...Are they 'apostles' according to you

    ****'one person cannot build this sort of ministry if people believe in your defn. of fraud'**** - What about the ministries built by saibaba, amritananda mayi,and other swamis .Its bigger than your FGAG in terms of money ,power, followers etc...

    Is their growth also a testament of HARDWORK?

    Madame, Why dont you support and defend them also????

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  106. Go and first read the blog from begning, you will have answers for your questions, understand the basics of comparison first.

    I'm least concerned about the individuals you mentioned, also i don't care what they do etc..ALSO YOU ARE NOT THE CREATOR TO DICTATE WHAT OTHERS SHOULD DO AND HOW OTHERS SHOULD LIVE

    my question is very simple, why you din't have these questions in 1980's..nothing has changed..it is the same...first answer this..

    there cannot be 1000 versions of bible, everyone reads only 1 bible , not sure which world you are living in...come out of your dreams and stop pulling things that suite your circumstance

    If you like just help, otherwise just watch the show.

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    1. So Thangiah is the creator and he can dictate what others should do and how they should live. The fellow says give but does not set example. Says live a simple life and has a ball all the time. and another thing people have still not got an answer.... where is his wife ????

      You also said "GROWTH IS A TESTAMENT OF HARDWORK " which compliments what i said - they have turned it into an occupation, a Business.

      Do u know some time ago he had called himself Apostle Paul Thangiah????? Later he probably felt ashamed for once and may be it was too much for his own consience that he changed it and came back to whatever he is called now. If you don trust me go to google and chech he has released a video, i think of songs and he has his name at the bottom - APOSTLE PAUL THANGIAH.

      Vijaya, i too trusted these people were really doing Gods work untill i actually saw them establishing their business. I have seen them taking pictures of random slums and then going abroad and asking for money for these slum dwellers. The money then goes right down their pockets. Click pictures of themselves standing with a bible with poor people in groups and asking for funds. and mind you funds come in lakhs, from lakhs of people they don even have IT issues as they open trusts as non profitable organisations. Trust me Vijaya, if you saw all that i have seen you would not be vouching for these people.

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  107. All these so called preachers just focus in rich countries like US, UK, Australia and big cities in India. Why don't they do anything like that missionaries in Africa, remote parts of India etc? Do they think that poor people doesn't have the privilege to know Christ?

    People like Mullakkara are minting money. In his website he asks for money for constructing a hospital for the poor people. I have one simple question, he claims that he has healed lot of people around the world. But why can't he even heal one of his ashram's inmates? Just one for the name sake??

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  108. Mircales for complete idiots..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkr7ZL4Melc

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  109. My answer is very simple,I was a ignorant unenlightened boy who was in his diapers when this fraud started his business of cheating people in the 80's .....I know Vijaya you dont care about those individuals I mentioned which you said cant be compared with your master....You dont care about people ..You dont care about corruption.....you dont care about your brothers and sisters getting cheated by people....you dont care about christianity.... you dont even care about what is written in Bible.....What bothers you is anything written against your Master who might be paying you for all your replies.....

    "there cannot be 1000 versions of bible, everyone reads only 1 bible , not sure which world you are living in...come out of your dreams and stop pulling things that suite your circumstance"
    -----Who is actually dreaming ? Ask yourself ?

    I am reading the same Bible and according to it Mr Paul thangiah is a fraud....If you cant figure out then you are either ignorant or a fraud like your master .....

    BTW ,You cant ignore SCRIPTURES if it doesnt suites yours or your master's lifestyle and deeds

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  110. Richa,

    I know what you are talking about and it may be happening in this world, don't try to generalize it, just bcoz your neighbour is fraud it doesn't mean that you are fraud?

    Those who are indulging in this sort of activities will be destroyed, they will be burnt in fire for cheating others. This is applicable to every human.

    What evidence do you have to prove that this fellow is fraud? don't speculate things...people have seen this ministry for the past 30 yrs...this din't happen over night...don't try to create confusion.

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    1. Sai Baba has a bigger gathering and a more than 30 yrs in the same line. Nithyanandan also has a bigger gathering that this guy. Does it mean that they are all doing the right things ??? what evidence do u have to prove that this fellow is not FRAUD ????

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    2. BTW i just forgot you never said anything about the time when he became an APOSTLE all of a sudden and then came back to REV !

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    3. Oh again where is his wife ?? you seem to be ignoring so many of my comments maam. but more importantly you seem to be answering just a selected few :-?

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    4. Richa,

      First answer this question,

      What valid evidence do you have to prove he is fraud? don't tell stories / mr.x told, y told doesn't work, and don't give some junk comparisons. for more details, read above.

      I have no clue what people do with these titles, accordingly to me nothing has changed...it is same since 1980s...

      I have no clue about what they do in their personal life, if you have time go and create some stories, first look into your OWN issues and don't pretend as if you don't have issues in life ...

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    5. Instead of telling stories focus on getting some facts and evidences. ....

      NO ONE HERE IS INTERSTED ABOUT YOUR INNOVATIVE STORIES. JUST IRRELEVENT JUNK.

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    6. You cant even understand the basics of comparison, how will you understand someones responses in detail, go and read the above answers are many have had these questions....

      Your ASSUMPTIONS are at heights...and seems to be trying to INDUCE the rest of the world

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    7. oh ho ho ho! you seem to be taking it too personal. what evidence do u have that he is not fraud. just by getting aggravated you cannot prove a point. forget the comparisons and all your paid stories. and by the way how do u know that mr X of Y told me something. i know this person and his family. and if you don know his wife ran away with a big boss in the vodafone company. this is FYI. i have nothing personla against anyone OR EVEN YOU. but i definitely will like to awaken people in knowing the truth - i mean the actual truth and not the thangiah truth. so chill. u say you don know about the titles - then on what basis do u keep yapping about facts. go and check it out. like the others say - you may be getting paid to be the devils advocate- I SAID YOU MAY BE. and you don say what everyone is is/is not interested in. people have their own id's and key pads, and im sure people on the forum know how to type their own views. and don get carried away, be calm, keep calm. and if you believe in big gathering s and tenured people who are capable of retaining their crowd, it will help if you go to some gatherings like said baba or nithyananda - they will teach you to keep CALM. i don believe in any gatherings or any preacher. i read my own bible and pray by my self. not influenced by anyone or any gatherings. HE IS A FREAKIN F R A U D ! u understand???

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    8. and and and.. don worry about my problems bcoz i have not spoken about yours. again explaining to you - the reason people are speaking about this clown is bcoz he comes out in public and brags, so he has given the opportunity for people to talk/discus about him. so just relax and accept the truth. i know this family pretty well. i mean in person. im sure you don know about him as much as i know. so chill! OK ?

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    9. No one is here worried about your pblms. you are the one who is saying he is FRAUD, so better get the evidences

      Everyone is relaxed, no one is behind anyones pblms.

      if you have evidences that he is FRAUD , why are you hiding behind? come out na openely put it across......surprised?

      if you don't have any, just keep you assumptions in your pocket.

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  111. Derrick,

    On the comparison factor, i have already answered in this blog (read THE blog in detail), don't divert and stay focused on what we are discussing.I meant "i don't care" in this blogs context, also i have no business do discuss about the individuals you mentioned. I don't have control on your ASSUMPTIONS and you are entitled to your opinions.
    I don't think you still got the basics right on comparison, this reflects your inability to comprehend, don't put random stuff here..and waste others time

    This ministry was started 30 yrs before with a vision to help spritually grow,to take the gospel to the uttermost parts and help the poor,it doesn't matter you like it or not. PEOPLE from different segments of the society are part of this ministry and this ministry will continue to grow..no matter what personal issues crop-up.

    Others cannot be held responsible for your DIS-LIKES and am not here to comment on your biblical interpretation skill.

    Those who use words like "fools" / "ideots", please read this blog fully, you will end-up relating to your own stories.

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    1. Dont you think the leader has to set example by living a simple and moral life....?

      Atleast have the courtesy to answer this simple question

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  112. For those who commented that this is family business / business etc...

    You are far away from what this ministry does, if there are fools who feel this ministry is fraud and hold valid evidence, please stop helping if you are already part of this ministry.

    Others - Don't act as if you don't have problems in life.

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  113. The Goebbelsian principle works on the premise that if a lie is repeated over and over again it has the potential to become the truth ----This is what vijaya trying out here.

    U looks like a paid basher for me after reading thru the blog. I ws nt against or supporting Mr.thangiah but after reading the blog its pretty clear that he doesnt hav the moral right to lead that ministry....

    Vijaya u hav been telling others that they are deviating from the point but u wer actually deviating away from the point raised

    1.This discussion was against paul and I didnt see anyone talking abt ur ministry then why u always yelling abt it

    2. If the so called ministry stands for spreading spirituality in the backward classes then it actually deserves applauds and support.
    But dnt you think that the leader shld set example
    first?
    Or is ur ministry spreading immoral and luxurious lifestyle ? Is that what spirituality meant by you?
    Dont Mr.Thangiah,saibaba,nithyananda etc look same and in the same boat? (dnt come back and tell they are nt comparable better you correct ur basics )

    If u are a folllower of Mr.paul then i guess its ur ego thats nt allowing you to accept the fact.
    If you nt and just concerned abt the ministry then why this discussion bothers you.No one here ws talking abt it so better leave this discussion board and carry on with ur ministry work.

    I know you dnt like answering questions it was pretty evident from ur above messages but still i am curious .If I assume whatever told against Mr thangiah is true do u really support him ?

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  114. Jose,

    All your assumptions are again wrong, you should ask the paid bash questions to those who started this blog. i have already asked this questions many times.. FYI - i lead a simple christain life(now don't screw me by putting some random assumptions)...."money is not everything in life" if you think everything in this world is done for money..then..am sorry...someone is in a big trap.

    Everyone should have a point of view, where does the question of ego rise first of all.

    Go and read your out of box comparison questions above, i have already replied in this blog. no more questions on this front as it is irrelevent.

    if you don't like someone just throw in Trash instead misleading facts.

    Don't expect others to live the way you want it to be! if you agree to this fact, you can find answers for your own questions.

    I have been answering questions by giving simple answers related to life, certainly your questions are not rocket science related.

    If all you are saying is true, i will defenietly support your arguments. Most importantly, am a big supporter of ministries and not the INDIVIDUALS...

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    1. If you are not a paid basher /follower of paul thangiah and if you are a True Christian
      then why you supporting a man who divorced his wife and leading a luxurious life using the money of people....


      P.S: pls Dont come back and tell me true christian for me is different from others or vis-a-v.

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    2. Dude,

      Don't try to impose your assumptions on others to prove some CRAP and STOP ADVISING OTHERS about life / Christianity. JOKERS are all over the place. Hand full of jokers can't change the game.

      THINK somthing on your own, don't copy others words...have some standards in blogs, most of your replies don't prove anything nor in the track of this topic.

      I really don't care about his personal issues, it is only about the ministry and it is same from your diper days, answers for most of your questions are above (real the blog fully, how many times should i tell you..CRAZY).

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  115. Der,
    I completely agree with you, but you and i don't have control on how anyone should should live, read above again you will find answers.

    Simple life for you is different from others or vis-a-v. so don't get into the debate of what is simple now.

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  116. Christianity spread rapidly throughout the ancient world,even though there were few organized missionary or evangelism programs.

    The love they practiced drew the attention of the world, just as Jesus said it would.

    So whether somebody is true or false is not for us to decide. Do not fight, argue, debate.

    Spread the Christ-like love folks! :)

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  117. I asked a simple question why u supporting a person who divorced his wife for no reasons .If you dont have any answers make it clear instead of telling i am going off track.BTW why u think my question is off track. In this blog ppl wer discussing abt Mr.paul thangiah No one was discussing abt ur ministry.And u hav been helling a lot abt ur ministry .....So who is going off track? ask ur self first ..
    First u understand the basics of comparisons .u dnt even have the basic sense to understand what others wer discussing and u advising others to correct their comparisons..very funny Vijaya ..u proved u r the true follower of Mr Paul....We hav common sense to understand ur trick.This trick might works in ur ministry and on the JOKERS who come to ur ministry. Better use it ther and try geting more JOKERS to ur enlighted MINISTRY lead by a bunch of immoral ppl.


    Who are you madame ,Supreme court judge?
    You wer shouting asking for evidences
    This is nt a courtroom to prove the 'INNOCENCE' of ur master.
    Did u asked ur mother to show evidence to prove Mr.X is ur father ?
    Did ppl ask for evidence to believe sun is rising in the east?
    Like that ther are things which ppl can easily infer without any evidence.I guess u still believe former minister A.raja is Innocent!!!

    BTW u wer kept on telling our assumptions wer wrong.Do u hold any evidences to prove our assumpions are wrong? Do u hav any evidence to prove Ur master is innocent ? Do u hav any evidence to prove he didnt divorce his wife? Do u hav any evidence to prove his 'SIMPLE' LIFESTYLE' ?
    If nt then pls shut ur mouth and leave from this blog .No one is interested in reading ur biased messages unless they make any sense. If u hav dignity first u answer the questions others wer asking .If you dnt hav answers make it clear. Instead dnt just beat around the bushes.....ppl are smart enuf to infer that.

    No one here ws trying to dictate what others shld do and hw others shld live.... First understand this ...They wer saying as per bible wat Mr.Thangiah did was WRONG and he doesnt hold any moral right to lead ur ministry.

    What ws wrong in this??? ppl just pointed out Thangiah preaches bible and is nt living accordingly.
    DONT YOU THINK ITS IRONIC??? DONT YOU THINK HE HAS TO SET THE EXAMPLE TO HIS FOLLOWERS?
    Why didnt he read his book 'FAMILY OR CALL CENTER'? Dont you think these evidences are sufficient to understand the real face of Mr.Paul thangiah.

    So for us he is a fraud. it is as simple as that.its nt rocket science but basic common sense.

    P.S Dont come back again saying u are nt concerned abt individuals but only concerned abt ministry. Madame we are also nt concerned abt ur MINISTRY.
    let me remind u the blog name again "EMERGING FALSE PROPHETS -PAUL THANGIAH"-Its nt abt ur MINISTRY understand first that.

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    1. there you go Jose! excellent. its not that im against. this whole gang came over to bless a couple on their engagement and trust me all they did was scream. there were absolutely no prayers but only screaming. its just gimicks. there is a lady in their team. pastor prakash's wife - the lady come to church like she is going out modelling. if she is in the beauty industry its her personal profession. and she brings it into the church. it does not feel like people have gone to the church when they see they. Oh you must see the attitude the lady carries. no body would bother about all this. but the thing is she would get on the pulpit and preach. so it is obvious that people will talk. this is just a reference - just to give some more insight to the topic

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    2. Jose,

      Maintain some professionalism in blogs, you will get a betting reply, your examples are out of scope and everything applies to you as well.

      I would really not respond to 3rd class people like you, i was thinking that you are a CHRISTAIN.

      I'm really not interested to respond to you.

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    3. Dude,
      Maintain some professionalism in blogs, looksl like you are a 3rd class individual

      All the above examples apply to people in your environment as well, MOST IMPORTANTLY YOUR EXAMPLES ILLUSTRATES YOUR CULTURE AND THE BACKGROUND YOU WERE BROUGHT-UP

      DON'T DIVERT, the fact of the matter is do you have evidence?


      I thought you are a CHRISTAIN, am really not intersted to respond to you.

      I'm not here to judge anyone either.

      Don't tell stories, COME BACK WITH VALID EVIDENCE THAT HE IS FRAUD....no assumptions please.

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    4. STOP your CRAPS and focus on the topic. you are talking about Raja, tomorrow you will talk about some celebrity etc...

      These are all immaterial for this discussion, keep you mind under your control...

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  118. Guys,
    Looks like your problem is FGAG, you create your own stories and write/reply on top of it.

    What evidence do you have to prove that he is FRAUD, come open Richa, everyone will know you and you will be VISIBLE to the entire world(if this is what you are looking for).

    STOP giving lectures on how others should live, jumping between sky and earth will not help in any way.

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  119. Not sure why you both are praising yourselves, THERE ARE NO ACTIONS FROM your responses, just WOW!..that's it...

    This is all good for argument sake.

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  120. Richa & Co -

    Please come open and publish the evidences stating tha he is FRAUD. you know everything about this individual na, no one here knows better than you.

    Come on!......Crowd is looking for you....

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  121. you seem to be taking things too personal. some one has already told you that you are no magistrate to ask for evidence. you don seem to understand plain english. everyone here would have respected your words if you provided evidence that he is not a fraud and then asked for evidence that he is one. his life style is the biggest evidence. full time ministry and no job for both father and son! from where do they get the money for the kind of lifestyle he lives. Mr Fraud & Co - wake up. all your crap is out in public. and you seem to be calling people 3rd class and all that. you seem to be a very disgusting lady(oops you don seem to be behaving like one though). some one he said you may be a paid basher or even something else - if you understand. what makes you think that you are a governess and people will provide you evidence a as and when you want. i don think you are in anyway important enough thing to provide you what ever you ask for. and off course i was surprised, not bcoz of what you asked bcoz you have been yapping about it throughout. im surprised with your language and your behavior.so disgusting - if i knew earlier i would not have wasted my time even responding to you. i don know what class you call yourself. for the other people out there - this would be my last post, bcoz this thing out here does not seem to understand what people have been trying to tell her for quite some time. this blog is about the FRUAD and not his ministry. Open you eyes wide open people and see through your mind. Eat for your own soul(prayers) like you eat for your own hunger.Every one with followers cannot become Jesus. these thieves steal in Jesus's name, Rogues. Steal from poor people saying give it will be given. Jesus used those words and never put anything in his pocket and changed His own lifestyle. He said if you wanna follow Me, leave your riches and all your wealth and come behind me. This rogue come from sri lanka and establishes his business here. why could he not do it in his own country- he wont get the returns. make peace in your own family nd then come to me - is what the bible says. he cannot do that and he will preach about the same. wake up people. see you'll. and vijaya - if you getting paid by this piece of poop, its the poor peoples ard earned money. not HIS STOLEN MONEY.

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  122. Good, at least now you understand that assumptions cannot be evidences. you are the one who is claiming he is FRAUD so you should come up with evidences, not me (FYA). Strong words like people money is being looted etc.. are not acceptable, these things can be validated only if you have data / evidence. Anyone can come up with 100's of allegations on anyone...

    I'm not taking anything personal, look at the entire blog, no one has used unparlimentary examples /words except Mr. Jose (it is not like others can't think of those examples such immatured people are talking about Christianity). We can only pray for those people.

    If you guys have issues with the Book, go and BAN na....I have been following this blog for some time and i know what am talking about there are 1000 threads in this blog (FYI). Answers cannot be expected for every sentence, and i know what is this blog all about....

    Good luck, stop targeting individuals when you don't have data to prove, Millions of people are being benefited thru this ministry.

    Finally, I have high respect for your views, only thing is it has to be communicated properly.

    Accordingly to you all, if he is FRAUD let it be...GOD will take care of him and he will pay heavy price during judg. day...

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  123. Again your assumptions are wrong, am not a paid blogger etc..., i lead a simple Christian life. God has blessed me immensely and you are entitled to your opinions / assumptions.

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  124. In general, strong allegations are supposed to be supported with evidence, you don't have to be a magistrate etc...

    Only HYPOTHETICAL questions/ speculations will have NO evidences.

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  125. here is no point in continuing this discussion. What ever we ask you wont give a proper straight forward answer.Instead you are just going off track telling about something else.

    I dont think I need to prove which class i belong to bcoz ppl here are intelligent
    enough to infer that..Anyways let me tell you one thing i dnt belong to your class.
    The class which defends a FRAUD .A CLASS which supports a rogue who is looting people in the name of JESUS. A CLASS which doesnt have any charecter and Moral standard. Arent you ashamed MS. Vijaya to support a fraud like Thangiah who divorced his wife.
    This shows that you belongs to a class or a class which supports divorces ,extravagant lifestyle etc... So you proved yourself which class you belongs to.


    What evidence you need madame.?
    Arent you aware of his divorce?
    Dont you have any idea about his lifestyle?
    Dont act dumb Vijaya... Come on.. from where did they get the money for the kind of lifestyle they lead without having any proper secular job.
    Arenot all these facts a valid evidence?

    You dont need to bother whether I am christian or not..leave that
    You think about yourself...A true christian wont support divorce ...So better ask yourself .

    Let me make everything simple.Leave aside Mr.Paul Thangiah and his personal things.
    Let me ask you two basic questions

    1.Do you support divorce?
    2.Do you support lavish lifestyle?
    Just give yes/no answer

    Lets continue this discussion after your answers to above questions...

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  126. Here you go..

    In general, I don't believe in any sort of seperation, if someone is seperated i wouldn't question them as i don't know under what circumstances they decide those and it is thier personal issue. Read the blog fully, i have already responsed the questions to someone above.

    Being lavish / non-lavish depends on ones attitude and background. In this context, i dont see any one being lavish here (it is the same as 1980) and people have seen this individual since then...so no question of lavish here..no one is going to bars and dancing...to be lavish, this is a ministry run in urban india and everyone knows about this individual.

    You don't try to convince me, first come with valid evidences, otherwise it is just waste of time with no actions, just useless aruguments...instead focus on doing something that BENEFITS THE KINGDOM OF GOD!...

    All these negative responses doesn't really affect this ministry / individual and no one can pluk a single grass from this ministry.

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  127. Vijaya,What made you think Jose as used unparliamentary words...You seems to be taking things too personal.
    He asked you couple of questions and instead of answering You called him JOKER and he gave you a deserving reply.I dint see any problem in that.He was infact using some metaphors.

    BTW wher wer you when ppl like JOSHY,DEEPAK,TRIAL called us 'DEVILS,'SATANS AGENT','DEMONS etcc....even JOSHY said 'talking to you guys decently wont work'.......Werent those words Un-parliamentary...Or is it like these rules only applicable to ppl who are against or ppl who exposes Paul Thangiah.

    This shows that you are too biased....And also shows the culture from where JOSHY .DEEPAK and co comes from ..THis is what paul taught you followers I believe....
    You better ask those questions yourself and to your friends.

    About your answers to JOSE's Question...
    Dnt you think its too ironic..YOu said you dnt support seperation .Then why the hell you are supporting a person who is seperated? .Why you defending for him ? I was saying from the begining like you I also dnt hav minded whether he is seperated or not But since he is said to be a preacher and talks about Bible and Jesus He is suppossed to live accordingly....Dnt you think he has to set the example?
    He wrote abt divine marital life and hw to overcome marital drift and he himself gt seperated ..What is the meaning of this vijaya...Dnt act dumb...and dnt tell me go and BAN the book ..Its nt the book that deserves BA
    N.It shld be the writer who deserves....
    Its like a politician who talks against corruption and end of the day involve in corruption...Dnt you think it itself is a crime.
    In plain english it is CHEATING the followers.

    We wer nt talking abt your minsitry as I said already but you seems to be nt understanding what we wer telling..or you are deliberately skipping for diverting the topic..
    Anyways as you wer talking abt it many times, Let me tell you onething....A ministry is as good as its leader.If the leader is nt setting the example then wer shld you think the ministry wud be heading to....
    You wer saying JOSE you cant compare Paul thangiah with other frauds like Saibaba,Nithyananda etc...
    Madame they wer doing the same thing...Preaching abt their religion...Collecting money from people....Living in utmost luxury without having any secular job....So wat difference you find in Paul thangiah? Is it like he is incomparable or he is above all of them...Do come back to your basics afterall all these frauds are same irrespective of religion parties,organization they do the same thing and leads luxurious life with money collected from people...
    Pls dnt come back and tell me to show evidences...These facts itself are pretty straight evidences...If you think we are wrong then better you produce the evidence
    SHow from wer they gets all this money to spend ..Show me their source .Dnt tell me its Gods blessings...God will not print currency and deposits in PAul thangiah's a/c.
    From where they gt the money to spend lavishly for his son's wedding.....I believe you had attended that wedding ....Is it the simple lifestyle you wer mentioning.

    BTW Who are cooking up stories here.....Werent you aware of his divorce?Why you acting dumb ?Instead of accepting the fact you are yapping abt other things.

    Whatever you say Vijaya whatever you try to defend him ,The truth is Paul Thangiah is a Fake prophet ,rogue, fraud like the corrupt politicians, other swamis etc.....
    Dnt tell me my comparisons are wrong...Or you can suggest some names with whom I can compare this fraud.

    BTW I dnt even consider him as a christian..A christian shld nt hav divorced his WIFE...I dnt knw whether You are Christian or not .If the answer is yesthen I must suggest you to read Bible before writing for your Master.You seems to be ignorant abt bible.Otherwise which sane christian cud defend for a fraud.Dnt get carried away and take things too personal .Your actions made me to think so ...Its too ironic like ur master Mr paul thangiah's Actions!!!

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  128. I don't know who those individuals are...it is condemnable...I CAN'T TALK FOR OTHERS...

    "BTW wher wer you when ppl like JOSHY,DEEPAK,TRIAL called us 'DEVILS,'SATANS AGENT','DEMONS etcc...."

    I can only defend my thoughts. If you have valid points, try to defend yourself....

    You come and go in this blog, so your comments can't be taken seriously.

    Whatever you say is correct....be happy....again you will drag this blog for an year with no PRODUCTIVE OUTPUTS...enjoy....NOTHING PERSONAL.

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  129. Another lame reason from Vijaya...If you dnt have answers then have the courage to accept that.reasons you mentioned above ws too mediocre and not upto par .
    i never knew only ppl who visit this blog regualarly can comment...Come on Vijaya.. Do come back to ur basics.....I expect a matured reply from your side....I can understand your difficulty in replying for my questions but replies like these are dud without any doubt.
    FYI I ws tracking this blog from the very begining itself(chk the begining) have tackled ppl like joshi,deepak etc...and i do track periodically but sometimes wont get enuf time to reply .Have better things to do madame....and i am not getting paid for keep on posting/blabbering in this blog like you do(I believe).

    Again arent you ashamed to write for a divorcee ,fraud ,rogue like Mr.Paul Thangiah...
    Madame there are better Jobs than this in case you are paid for this.

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  130. Hmm...YOU ARE BACK TO SQUARE-1, again want to start from the beg, there are better things in life to do.

    If you want to timepass, there are various forums and please try to utilize those instead putting some craps here...and stop KIDDING about paid blogger...you are fully swimming in your world of assumptions...

    You are the one who should be ashamed for talking about FRAUD and not having single valid evidence...what is stopping you from publishing in open and come open...instead hiding behind the door.

    Fact of the matter is you don't have envidences to prove that he is fraud and you are trying to divert by bringing in his lifestyle, marriage, what he eats, where he goes, why he did this way that etc...full timepass.....it is clear nothing is going to come out of your viewpoints...

    I'm sure you will have better things to do in life....enjoy....

    Come back with evidence that he is FRAUD and then respond, otherwise it will look like empty vesells making whole lot of noice....

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    1. Haha... very funny reply vijaya.
      Who is hiding behind the walls? I never afraid of these frauds and I dont have any problem unmasking the real face of fraud paul thangiah.But the fact is still you followers will come with new reasons to defend. The same lame reasons you found to defend your master.I pity his followers.
      And BTW regarding evidences, tell me where the hell he got money to lead a lavish lifestyle do you have any evidence regarding his income. If you dont have then why you asking evidences .
      Isnt his divorce itslef is a big evidence to show he is a fraud?
      The same guy has written agianst divorces and he himself got divorced
      Tell me what moral right he got to preach jesus.
      Is it that jesus taught us
      Is is that his disciples taught us?
      Is it that bible taught us?
      Vijaya you havent answered this question yet I have been asking this from the begining itself.
      Leave aside his wealth and all those stuffs.
      Tell me if he is not practicing bible in life Does he is supposed to preach bible?

      Vijaya, better defend for our master Jesus than this third rate fraud.

      I need just one answer do you think he has the right to preach bible even after he divorced his wife????????

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    2. Dude,

      Stop praising you....he has everyright to preach as he is a scholar and he know jesus even before he started his family life...so don't link divorce with preaching bible etc...only nuts think in your lines....crazy...

      People in public life are SOFT TARGETS and this has never changed...

      now...you are talking about money...bcoz..u don't have evidence for fraud...don't jump within the circle...it is of no use...

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    3. If he had knew JESUS then he sholudnt have divorced.
      Vijaya dnt you think its too ironic for a person to divorce even after he knows JESUS.

      Vijaya dnt act smart by mentioning about SOFT TARGETS etc...you are good in diverting topics but let me remind you we are not fools.

      If he is a scholar in bible then why didnt he lives accordingly.
      I dnt understand vijaya which bible you are following.Or are you too ignorant about bible and Jesus.
      What right he got to preach bible if he himself is not practicing it?

      And from your above statement I understood that you are either too ignorant about bible or you are a die hard follower of paul thangiah instead of jesus.


      So from now onwards what is gonna preach? is he going to glorify divorces.

      You better read before you post those above blunder statements this is a public forum ,you are being watched by people dnt think all are like the FGAG fools who still go and hear Mr.fraud thangiah's scholarly words about bible. and thanks for exposing yourself from the above statements

      "scholar in bible divorcing his wife" very funny next time even after he kills someone again you followers will come back with the same lame reasons supporting him .Pity you Vijaya


      Any tom dick and thangiah can preach bible to ignorant people .Unless he is practicing bible in his life then its a crime -cheating people.

      Get a life vijaya rather than defending for this fraud master.

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    4. You say he is fraud and you are not bringing the evidence...

      Divorce is someones personal issue, what is bothering you, he will continue to preach...you cannot do anything about that....you will just keep cribbing....not sure if you know 1000 versions of bible...etc...there is only 1,not sure which planet you are living in....your dreams and assumptions only will keep you HAPPY...not others..try and do something that benefits others in life...instead cribbing about your dis-likes..

      don't worry much about me...

      No matter you like it or not...

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    5. Madame which planet you are living and better you check out which version you are reading.

      The only bible which I know has written against divorces and has explained what type of ppl who really divorces.

      Dint you find the following verses in your bible or are you deliberately avoiding it?

      "Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
      But to those who have been joined in matrimony, it is not I who commands you, but the Lord: a wife is not to separate from her husband." -1 Corinthians 7:5


      "If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church? " - 1 Timothy 3:5

      Remember its not I who commands you, but the LORD

      Jesus said "My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge”. Hosea 4:6

      Still supporting that fraud!!!! come on Vijaya nw ur above questions and actions are becoming too ironic!!!!

      BTW abt divorce being his personal issue.Will you support and listen to him if tommorw he kills somebody?
      or you discard it again as one among his persoanl issues ?

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    6. No time to answer your hypothetical questions, sit and create perm & combinations and GO WITH YOUR ASUSUAL ASSUMPTION, you are very good at assumptions anyways...

      Now you are pulling scriptures (read above thoroughly, you will know why i won't use scriptures in crappy forums like this - i have already responded to someone).

      Looks like you are strong believer of the creator, why do you get fever or fell sick if you believe in creator? this is the same that everyone goes thru in life. hope you got it.

      Still you haven't brought any valid evidence to prove that this guy is FRAUD...from your responses one would assume that you are BIG FRAUD....and targeting individuals.

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  131. Hi All,

    I read the above comments here & there.., i just want to say that God's blessed each one of us in different ways, but that doesnt mean we do not have faliurs & problems in life..., the more your blessed the more evil tries to put you down & the sufferings in life still remains, our part is to seek God'd presents to over come the sufferings.

    We all go thru pains & worries in life, just as Jesus went through when he was on this earth., but not to the extent as he suffered.

    We are not followers of any pastors or evangelists, we just need to follow our ONE & only Christ Jesus..
    All of us come across Shame, Criticisms but in different ways.., lets not COMMENT about others, we do have lot of loop holes in our own lives as well...


    If one thinks Pastors are faruds - Do not follow them but follow the WORD of God.., Pastors are just to mentor us about the word.

    And talking about the Dance or Singing or having VCD's CD's of gospel songs- we need to utilize our talents for the Glory of God., its not publicity.
    We need fellowship, we need to reach the people on the Gospel. How can it be possible if we are going to stay quite and not spread the Word of God to the world..??? Publishing Gospel songs are one of its way...

    All that Pastors & evangelists are tying to do is reach the Gospel in all possible ways.

    For you to know who's RIGHT & who's WRONG you need to be more Powerfull than the Pastors in th epresence of God, to prove them wrong.

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  132. The Beatitudes

    3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    4 Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.

    5 Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.

    6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

    7 Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.

    8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.

    9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called children of God.

    10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.

    12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    Matthew 5

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  133. We are not followers of any pastors or evangelists, we just need to follow our ONE & only Christ Jesus..

    yes,IT IS CORRECT BUT Today people hide the Christ holy life but project only their themes to hide from the sin they have done.

    many people write that it is god duty to judge but i want to tell the people we need know whether they are motivated from evil spirts or holy spirts.Once they lost the holy from the life,evil spirts would take their control.so they are under control of satan.Their behavior would change internally but outward it seem that they are telling the god words.This would be finally lead to big sin.we need to tell the people near to aware of them since they may be prey to their sin.

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  134. You say that we need to make people aware of the False prophtes...

    & you also say that "Their behavior would change internally but outward it seem that they are telling the God's word".

    How would you find out their internal change????
    People who are having discussion on this paltform have given their views just by seeing the Outward life style..

    As i mentioned eariler, God has blessed everyone of us in his own special way & also we do have troubles & shame in life in our own ways, then why do we comment on how & what others are....???

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  135. Acts 5:34,35,36,37,38
    But one of the Sanhedrin, a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a man of learning in the law, of whom all the people had a high opinion, got up and made a suggestion for the men to be put outside for a little time.
    And he said to them, Men of Israel, take care what you do about these men.
    For before this there was Theudas, who said he was someone important, to whom about four hundred men gave their support: he was put to death, and his band was broken up and came to nothing.
    After this man, there was Judas of Galilee, at the time of the numbering, and some of the people went after him: he was put to death, and all his supporters were put to flight.
    And now I say to you, Do nothing to these men, but let them be: for if this teaching or this work is of men, it will come to nothing:But if it is of God, you will not be able to overcome them, and you are in danger of fighting against God.

    Pastor Paul Thangiah is a great man of God.MrBeHoly,"be not judges of others, and you will not be judged".Only God can judge him. God bless you a lot Paul uncle :)

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  136. Vijaya, Now you pointing towards me.....Haha very funny....This is what your master Fraud Paul thangiah taught ....you showed your culture Thanks madam.

    I never divorced anyone
    i never cheat peopel
    I never lived with other people's money.
    I never ever looted people in the name of Jesus.

    Still you calling me fraud ...
    Did you lost your sense ...I know this is your last weapon. Point against people who point out your wrongdoings.
    You are proving you are the best follower of your master fraud paul thangiah.

    And abt my 'Assumptions' Hey madame I am educated and have normal common sense nt like the fools who still believes that fraud Paul.
    Abt using scriptures if you cant understand what is written in bible i cant help it.
    you are using bible according to ur wish .You are ignoring what is written in it according to ur lifestyle..But that cant happen madame....If you cant follow it then why you calling yourself christian Arent you ashamed.
    I pity you
    I pity those who still follow that fraud and his son.
    Let me remind you one thing...there is no use praying ,preaching everytime unless you act and live according to bible.
    And I dnt want to continue this discussion anymore you are deliberately biased ,wer nt giving proper answers and have other intentions ...No use in continuing this discussion anymore.

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  137. Great, this is what i have been saying...the output from your discussion is going to be EMPTY VESSEL and NOT PRODUCTIVE. Thanks at least you understood it now.

    Don't worry about others...collect evidence and come back to state he is FRAUD....till then bye....

    For god sake don't SPAN this space....All people can do is PRAY for YOU!..

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  138. How come you people know bible and still able to comment others. It is very sad to see how devil deceived people like Derrick Sebastian and Nathan. I sincerely pray that may the Spirit of God will open their eyes so that they will mind their lives.

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    1. Dear brother & sisters, I don't really understand whether we are pleasing the Holy Spirit or grieving the Holy Spirit by all these arguments. Are we not christians? If we are christians then we have to show a difference in us because Jesus said that we have to love even our enemies. He also said, hating someone even witnin our hearts equals to murdering someone. What are we gaining by speaking such vulgur things about a man of God. Even if its true that u people found something wrong with him u r not suppose to judge him. Because we are not permitted to judge others rather we are clearly told to judge ourselves. There may b non christians who are listening to preachings of Rev Paul Thangiah and being blessed. How do they get closer to God. If u people are true in loving Jesus and very much concerned of His Word then u have to stop this useless argument.

      You people serve the Lord in the way God has been using u, and let him serve the Lord in the way God has placed him to serve Him. After all we have to busy in expanding His Kingdom. The world is in need of people like you. Please stop hating and start loving even enemies. Try to lift a person but don't try to crush. Sorry if i have hurt u people. Especially I wan to address this to brother MrBeHoly who started all this.

      Jonathan Edward

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  139. I find this article good enough to open people's eyes. 1) There were people who were commenting who are we to judge and also they wrote about other Hindu trusts which swindle money but it is written in 1 Corinthians - "What business is it of mine to judge
    those outside the church? Are you not to
    judge those inside?13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." 2)Also, it is written "10To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her
    husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
    3) Finally,there were people who were talking abput Pastor.Thangiah's charity - If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but
    have not love(for neighbpurs), I gain nothing.

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  140. Lyd,
    Everyone one goes through tough times in their respective life, this is about an individuals private life and personal issue and it is nothing to do with his work / ministry.

    He is an individual who has been/is doing ministry for past 30 yrs in urban india and people in the society know him very well and whatever social work that is being done is to help the poor with love and compassion!. It is not being done just for the sake of doing something....

    This individual has been the same since 1980's....and seen lots of ups and downs in ministry..../ personal life....

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  143. Stop your CRAP for god sake, again you are back to SQUARE-1, first know in detail about this men and then comment.

    HOW DARE YOU QUESTION OTHERS ON HOW TO PREACH!...DID GOD GAVE YOU COMMAND OR YOU ARE THE SPOKESPERSON FOR YOUR INTELLICTUAL ASSUMPTIONS.

    MIND YOUR LANGUAGE, NO ONE NEEDS CERTIFICATE FROM YOU AND YOUR COMPANY ON HOW TO PREACH!....

    You can't bring single evidence to claim he is FRAUD and talking shits and making stories on your ASSUMPTIONS...just talking the same will not lead you anywhere...YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET DINGED IN THIS BLOG.

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  144. Keep trying, Keep trying, you will never be able to break this ministry / create damange to this individual.

    Think something new man, all old stories. Now you are back it is the same..

    ***********"OLD WINE IN NEW BOTTLE"************

    doesn't make any sense dude, keep your research / assumptions in your pockets...

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  146. So what, i have seen preachers wearing shorts and preaching in U.S no one cares about those...just they focus on the MESSAGE...people like you who have WEAVERING MIND ONLY WILL LOOK FOR UN-HOLY THINGS....CRAP.....this exposes your MINDSET (FULLY NEGATIVE.....THOUGHTS...)

    Go to church and see you will see testimonies..at least watch live on sunday's you will at least know something about this indvidual...instead crapping your thoughts in open forums like this...

    All the above reflects your ignorence about this individual and ministry.

    If people go by your SO CALLED THOUGHTS AND RULES...there will be no one left to preach in this universe....

    We have seen many individuals like you...the issue is your MINDSET....One day GOD will surely change your negative ATTITUDES....

    Go and do something useful...all you are doing is CRAPPING this SPACE....

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    1. you think you are holy .. but look at your language sister !!!! :D

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    2. Can't help again again you are ASSUMING things!

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  147. By sitting in some corner of the country and cribbing about your dislikes will result in 000000000000000000 output...

    You will not be able to achieve what you want to in this forum dude....It is clear that you are a Paid blogger and want to keep throwing some CRAP and BULL this space...

    If you were CIVILIZED AND EDUCATED individual, you would have understand by this time about what this individual and ministry is about....instead you are CRAPPING the same thing....

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  148. It SAD to know that people like you are talking about HOLYSPIRIT, have some respect for HOLYSPIRIT atleast man.....seems like you have problem with everyone...

    *****ATLEAST LEAVE HOLYSPIRIT & CREATOR *********

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  149. Brothers and sisters, with full of zeal for The Lord, Let us stop this debate, Let us build The Kingdom not divide it, we are many members in One Body but with different functions.

    Let us work together as Christians according to God's Divine Purpose and Plan for our individual lives.

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  150. @ vijaya - Ur posts correctly reveal that we are in the last days . Read this :2 Timothy :For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. Also this : 2 Thessalonians:For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie

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  151. Dear friends,

    I have been trying to learn more about Pastor Paul and my intent here is neither to call him a "saint" nor a "fraud", but to examine the facts. I think some have leveled very serious allegations against his personal integrity and obedience to Scripture. I am hoping this will be a balanced and fair opinion and let me also add that it is our responsibility to pray for those in the ministry who may have been misled/fallen.
    I think the following are some of the concerns:

    1. Financial Accountability
    Unlike in the USA where you have entities like the ECFA, "ministries" in India are generally not held accountable. The main issue could be, are the "offerings" made to the church used by the Pastor for his personal use? (An Audited Financial Statement of his ministry should silence the critics.)

    2. Lifestyle
    Another issue may be that of his lifestyle. People like Benny Hinn have been accused of buying huge houses and planes with the money they receive for "ministry". A "simple" lifestyle may be a solution to this. Pastor Paul wearing too much gold may create the opinion that he loves money too much. (Again, it seems he talks about "having coffee in a five star hotel" and "flying business class on airlines". That is not a simple lifestyle, is it?)

    3. Leadership Style
    A third issue could be that some preachers give prominence to their "image" and their "honor" above that of the Lord Jesus Christ.
    I have heard that there are hoardings outside the church with his pictures! This sounds like typical Indian movie culture, and it does not look good to see a "man of God" doing this.

    4. Numbers Game
    The effectiveness of a church is not measured by how many members it has, but by the spiritual maturity of its members. Unfortunately, people talk only about "the largest church in India" and all that, and never mention about the "quality"! It seems the pastor is also affected by this numbers game.

    5. Teaching on Miracles
    If any church today makes a claim that "the dead are raised" and the "blind see" in/ through their services, they must document these incidents and give clear evidence for the same. Unfortunately, no church that "advertises" such miracles give any evidence. This can lead to people (rightly) accusing the pastors of committing fraud on the people.

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  152. 2nd part:

    6. Biblical Standards/Qualifications for Pastors
    A lot of the discussion in the blog has been about the marital status of Pastor Paul. Let us be respectful to each other and do not make unsavory comments on this. But the points remain:(a) What is the present marital status of Pastor Paul? and (b) Does the bible forbid divorced people/pastors from the ministry? This is a theological question, but let us be respectful of one another.

    7. Titles and "Apostleship"
    The general tendency among preachers in India is to amass titles like "Reverend, Doctor, Bishop, Apostle" etc. If he is using the title "Apostle", it is a grave error. If it is his staff/followers who are ascribing such titles to him, and he may not be aware of it. However, he must ensure that the title of "Apostle" is never used.

    8. Pleasing the Crowds/ False Promises
    Most preachers today want to please their congregations and not preach the truths of the gospel. Does the preacher make claims like "All your financial problems will be over in 30 days", or "In 45 days you will receive a job or a miracle"? Although it gives great comfort to some of the hearers (who are spiritually immature), it does not really happen and leaves them frustrated in the end. (Benny Hinn is accused of many false healings!). If Pastor Paul offers such promises, let them document such healings/miracles so that no one would be able to doubt!

    9. Bible Teaching
    Most Pentecostal churches emphasize "feelings" and leave out the solid "teaching" of the word of God! The church does not seem to have a solid program for Bible Study (though they do have "care cells", I think). Without solid Bible teaching, the people will remain "spiritual infants" all through their life and will create "weak" churches. It appears that, unfortunately, Pastor Paul does not put much emphasis on the teaching of the Word of God (although I do not have enough evidence to support this).

    I have summarized a few thoughts I had, please feel free to add more, or to discuss/disagree. But let us only do that in a spirit of love and humility. If David, a man after God's own heart, could commit the sins of adultery AND murder, none of us are exempt from such temptations. Again, IF Pastor Paul is guilty of some impropriety, let us not stone him or call him a "fraud". If that is the case, let us only conclude, in love and humility, that he has been misled in some areas and let us PRAY for him, that God will show him the errors. There is no doubts that Pastor Paul is man through whom God can do so much!

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  153. Appreciate your thoughts. Life cannot be just run on perceptions...we need facts too....

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  154. To who so ever created this blog : first of all you better take Fasting with weeping and repenting before God that you have committed a very great mistake that is talking against the servant of God ; no matter how Stupid that pastor is or cheating people or even may be Prostitute but you have no right to say anything against Him, He is still anointed of God; David never curse Saul even when he is killing Him only reason is He is Anointed of God; what do you think you are not a God to Judge ,I know out of pride and Jealousy comes this things; No discussion just shut up and close this blog: ; Do you know how much pastor Paul is suffering and leading the church.;? He always fast and pray for each member of His Church;;
    If you do not stop it blogging against Servants of God, you are going to get a great cruse that even to your generations not able to get Delivered unless you repent;

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  155. i am not a member of FGAG.
    everyone (u&me or they) in the church used to say "praise to the Lord". but not to the preacher. i think they give money for god's work acco.to gods will. so surely god will bless them. if someonr use it for good or bad? the Lod will see. who are we to point a person or his wife? that's not our duty.
    if we talk excess, sure we will be judged for our each letter.

    I think god gave mind to everyone. nobody is fool to believe foolishley. so bro's plz dont bother for them or for me (jesus said cry out for urself n ur generations). god holds every one in his lap.
    every denomi first believes in Jesus.No believer of god is going to deceive, for all have their fruits acco.to their dities. praise to the lord

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  156. Bloody because of FGAG my family torn apart, my mom has gone mad... I don't hate any religion but no religion asks you guys to convert...

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  157. ANOTHER "JESUS" AND HIS MINISTRY

    Part- 1

    Imagine that you were in Palestine over 1960 years ago and that you heard of the ministry of someone called "Jesus of Nazareth" who was healing the sick. Not having seen Him yourself, you are delighted when you come across a large crowd attending a healing meeting in Jerusalem, with someone called `Jesus' as the speaker.

    As you draw near, you find that up on the platform, along with `Jesus' (the speaker), Pilate and Herod, and Annas and Caiaphas are also seated. `Jesus' then comes forward and addresses the crowd saying how honoured they all should feel that day because the two greatest secular rulers of Palestine, "the most honourable Herod and Pilate had graciously come to honour the meeting with their presence". And not only that, but "two great men of God, the Right Reverend Annas and Caiaphas were also there to bless the gathering".

    Having spoken these words of introduction, `Jesus' then invites Herod and Pilate to inaugurate the meeting and to speak a few words. Herod and Pilate both praise `Jesus' by saying what a lot of good he is doing to the community by his ministry and that he deserves the support of all people. "The Right Reverend Annas and Caiaphas" are then invited by `Jesus' to say a few words and to "open in prayer". They also praise `Jesus' highly and invite all the people in their denomination to support `Jesus''s ministry wholeheartedly.

    Then `Jesus' invites Judas Iscariot to say a few words about the financial needs of the ministry. Judas speaks about the tens of thousands of denarii needed to meet all the needs of the ministry. He states that 'forms' are available with the ushers for those who contribute more than 1000 denarii saying that `Jesus' has promised to pray special prayers for such people (it does not matter whether they are believers or unbelievers - all the rich are welcome and the richer the better!). Herod then gets up and offers to give a tax deduction to all those who contribute to this ministry. The collection is then taken. Then `Jesus' gives a brief message, demonstrates a few of his miraculous powers that astound the simple people, and heals a few sick people. And then before anyone can meet him, he rushes off with Herod, Pilate, Annas, Caiaphas and Judas Iscariot (and the bags of money) in the royal Roman chariot to the archbishop's palace in central Jerusalem to feast with them.

    Somehow, at the end of all this, even though you are only a new convert, with little discernment and experience, you still feel a bit uneasy. All that you saw does not seem to fit in with the accounts that you had heard about Jesus from some of His apostles like Matthew, Peter and John.

    Satan, however, is nearby to whisper in your ears, "It is written, 'Do not judge'" (Matt. 7:1). But you tell him, "It is also written, 'Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world'" (1 Jn. 4:1).

    Finally, you come to a definite conclusion: "This is not the Jesus that I heard about. This is certainly "another Jesus" (2 Cor. 11:4).

    And you are right. It was another `Jesus'.

    Continued....in Part 2

    http://www.cfcindia.com/web/books/zac/new_wine_in_new_wineskins.html#CHAPTER%2015

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  158. ANOTHER "JESUS" AND HIS MINISTRY

    Part - 2

    How did you come to that conclusion? Because the anointing within you told you the following facts (1 Jn. 2:19,20,27):

    1. The real Jesus would not seek any sponsorship from secular rulers or any recommendations from unconverted religious heads for His ministry. Neither would He flatter any of them. When a bishop once came to Jesus, He told him that he needed to be born again (Jn. 3:1-10). Jesus called King Herod 'a fox' (Lk. 13:31,32) and even refused to talk to him when He met him (Lk. 23:8,9).

    2. The real Jesus would never ask for money from anyone - not even for His ministry. He made His needs known only to His Father. The Father would then move the people or even a fish (in one instance) to supply Jesus' need (Lk. 8:1-3; Matt. 17:27).

    3. The real Jesus would never 'sell' His prayers for any price. Simon the Samaritan magician once offered money for Peter's prayers and Peter rebuked him for such wickedness as to imagine that a divine gift could be bought with money (Acts 8:18-23). Simon repented immediately. But his unrepentant followers have been many through the centuries. The Roman Catholic Popes (claiming to be the successors of the Peter who rebuked Simon) have always sold their prayers for money. Martin Luther stood against all this wickedness in his day, like Peter. But some of the successors of Luther (today's Protestants) have again gone back to selling their 'prayers' and their 'prophecies' for cash; and alas, many like Simon are willing to pay for them!

    Jesus specifically warned us that in the last days, deception would be so subtle that even the elect would almost be deceived - particularly through signs and wonders (Matt. 24:24). If there is any ministry that the elect are to beware of and examine most carefully today, it is the 'sign and wonder' ministry. Jesus told us not to believe it when people say that He came to their room to talk to them (See Matt. 24:26). The resurrected body of Jesus has never left the right hand of the Father in all these (more than 1900) years since His ascension. Paul and Stephen saw Him only there (Acts 7:53; 9:3). Even John did not see Jesus' physical body on Patmos but only symbols representing Jesus (Rev. 1:13-16). When Jesus does leave heaven, it will be for His second coming to earth.

    Therefore when they say today that He came to their rooms, do not believe them.

    Living in the midst of gullible believers, we must not remain without discernment. The Word of God gives a clear light for all who desire it in these last days. If we follow that light alone, we will never be deceived.

    http://www.cfcindia.com/web/books/zac/new_wine_in_new_wineskins.html#CHAPTER%2015

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  159. பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா அவர்களை நீண்ட காலத்துக்குமுன்பே அவர் சொந்த நாடானஇலங்கையில் வைத்தே அறிந்தவன் நான். அவருடன் பேசியதாக எனக்கு ஞாபகம் இல்லை. 1965ம் வருடமுதல் இலங்கை மக்களோடு தொடர்புகொண்டவன் நான். முதன்முதல் இலங்கைக்கு 1970ம் ஆண்டு நேரில் சென்று வந்து அதன்பின் அநேகமுறை ஊழியம் காரணமாக இலங்கைக்கு போக்கும் வரத்துமாக இருந்தவன் நான்.

    பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா அவர்கள் படித்த பள்ளி, படித்த வேதாகமப்பள்ளி, ஊழியம் ஆரம்பித்தது, பல பாஸ்டர்களின்கீழ் அவர் ஊழியம் செய்தது ஆகியவையும் அறிந்தவன் நான். இலங்கையில்பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம் அவர்களும், அவர் குடும்பமும் எனக்கு மிகவும் நெருக்கமானவர்கள் பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம்தான் பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாவை ஊழியத்தில் தூக்கிவிட்டார்.

    இலங்கை நாவல்பட்டியா சபையில் பெரிய பாஸ்டரின் கீழ் பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா அவர்கள் ஊழியம் செய்துகொண்டிருந்தபோது தலைமை பாஸ்டர் அவர்கள் சில வாரங்கள் வெளிநாடு சென்றபோதுதான் இவர் ஊழியத்தில் முதல் பிரச்சனை எழுந்தது- அது பதவி பிரச்சனை ஆகும். பாஸ்டர் இல்லாத சமயம் அவரை (Acting) Pastorஆக AOG நியமித்தது. ஆனால் இவரோ தன்னை Assistantபாஸ்டராக அழைத்துக்கொண்டார். சீனியர் பாஸ்டர் வந்தவுடன் பிரச்சனை எழுந்தது. சபை மக்களும், பாஸ்டரின் செயல்களை கண்டித்தனர். அதன்பின் நாவலப்பட்டயாவிலிருந்து பால்தங்கையா விரட்டப்பட்டார்.


    ஊழிய வாய்ப்பின்றி சில காலம் இவர் இருந்தபோதுதான்Canadaவில் இப்போது மிகப்பெரிய சபைக்கு பாஸ்டராக உள்ளபாஸ்டர்.சாலமோன் அவர்களின் தகப்பனார் பாஸ்டர்.அருமை நாயகம் அவர்கள் பாஸ்டர்.தங்கையாவுக்கு புது வாழ்வளித்தார்.Jaffnaவில் ஊழியம் செய்ய தன் சபையையே கொடுத்தார். கடைசியில் சபை ஸ்தாபகரான பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம் அவர்களையே சபையைவிட்டு விரட்டிவிட்டார். என்றால் நிலைமையை யூகித்துக்கொள்ளுங்கள். மனம்நொந்துபோன நிலையில் பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம் அவர்கள் கொளும்பு வந்து சேர்ந்த பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம் அவர்கள் சபையைவிட்டு வெளியேற வேறு காரணமும் உண்டு. அதன்பின் பாஸ்டர்.அருமைநாயகம் மறுபடியும் தேவன் மிக உன்னத நிலைக்கு உயர்த்தினார். அதன்பின் கொஞ்ச காலத்திலேயே பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாவும் Jaffna சபையிலிருந்து விரட்டப்பட்டார். பால்தங்கையா அவர்கள் நாவலபட்டியாவிலிருந்து – யாழ்பாணம் வந்துசேர்ந்தது முதல் இடைப்பட்ட நாட்களில் அவர் வாழ்க்கையில் நடந்த பல விஷயங்களையும் நான் அறிவேன். அதன்பின் அவர் இந்தியா வந்துசேர்ந்தார். அவரின் பாடல் தாலந்து, பேச்சுவண்மை யாவும் அவரை பெங்களுரில் மகா உயரத்தில் தூக்கிவிட்டது. பணம் பெருகினது, புகழ்பெருகினது, அதன் காரணமாக சொந்த வாழ்க்கையில் மனைவி – பிள்ளைகள்மத்தியில் சில விஷயங்களில் சாட்சியையும் இழந்தார்.

    சபை மக்களுக்கு பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையா அவர்கள் மேடையில் பாடுவது, பேசுவது மட்டும்தான் தெரியும். உள்விஷயங்கள் எதுவும் அறிய நியாயம் இல்லை. அவர் மிகவும் நம்பின அவருக்கு நெருக்கமான இரண்டுபேர் அவரைவிட்டு விலகினார்கள். பாஸ்டரோ, உலகம் சுற்றும் வாலிபனாக மாறினார், பிசாசு உள்ளே நுழைந்தது. முதலில் பாஸ்டர், அதன்பின் பிள்ளைகள், பிறகு மனைவி இப்படியாக விழுகை படிப்படியாக ஏற்பட ஆரம்பித்தது.

    பாஸ்டர்.பால்தங்கையாக்கு உண்மையான ஆவிக்குரியவர்களின் நெருக்கம் குறைந்தது. உலக மக்கள், அரசியல் தொடர்புடையவர்கள், கோடீஸ்வரர்கள் ஆகியோர் நெருங்கின தோழனானார்கள்.

    அவர் சொந்த வாழ்க்கையில் வந்துவந்துப்போன சோதனைகள், அதிலிருந்து விழுந்து எழுந்தது ஆகியவைகளை மனைவி மட்டுமே அதிகம் அறிவார். குடும்பத்தில் சாட்சி இழந்ததால், குடும்ப தலைவனின் பலவீனத்தை பிள்ளைகள் – மனைவி ஆகியவர்கள் அறிந்தால் முதலில் வீட்டுக்குள்ளே மதிப்பை இழப்பார், பின் சபையின் மூப்பர்களிடம் மதிப்பை இழந்தார்.

    எந்த பணக்கார குடும்பத்திலும் குடும்ப தலைவனின் தவறுகள் அவரின் சொந்த மனைவி போலும், அறியாத பல இரகசியங்களையும் பலவீனங்களையும் அறியும் ஒரே நபர் கார் டிரைவர் ஆவார். ஆரம்பத்தில் எல்லா இரகசியங்களையும் மனதில் அடக்கிவைப்பார். பண விஷயத்திலும், அல்லது கண்டிக்க தொடங்கினதால் ஏற்பட்ட கோபம், வெறுப்பு ஆகியவைகள் உண்டானவுடன் டிரைவர் வாயாலேயே பல இரகசியங்கள் வெளியே கசிய தொடங்கும்.

    - ஜாமக்காரன்

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  160. well... you see the ugliness of religion already... people used to fight in the name of god. Now they are fighting against each other over some person who claims to be the prophet of god... quite stupid isn't it? why can't we unite in the name of humanity instead of being split in the name of religion, country, race, etc?

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